Please Read - Re: Claude Young

[Buttman]

****ing hell Andre this is a public forum. Keep this stuff private. You will most likely get in trouble with this behaviour.

[The Overfiend]

All I can say is I applied for the Visa for Brazil as requested. Was given some sob story by the embassy of Brazil for losing my application. This was no fault of mine and the Visa could not be issued on time.

Peace

C

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Dear Claude

Sorry, but this story is very hard to believe.

To apply for a Brazilian visa, you need your plane ticket. And you never picked up the ticket I sent you in AUGUST.

Furthermore, this is the e-mail you sent me on Friday, October 8:

"Hi Andre,

I have informed xxxx i will be coming to your event so
next week i hope to arrange the visa.

Regards
Claude"

Well, it´s clear from your message that you never applied for the visa, right?

I don't want to start any shouting matches here. But I have a responsability towards my audience, which had been expecting you here for a long time.

Peace,
Andre

All of this........................
Should be aired out in the private messaging system.
Not publicly trying to humiliate someone.
On Purpose.

[circuito]

Dear Buttman,

I respect your opinion, but I disagree. I had to explain to the Circuito audience (many of whom are users here) why mr. Young was not coming to our party.

I have no fear of "getting in trouble", because everything I posted is absolutely true. We have worked hard to bring great techno artists to Brasil for three years now, we are very proud of our work, and I stand by every word I wrote.

Best,
Andre

[circuito]

Summer of Sam,

Sorry, but I think you got it wrong. No one is trying to humiliate anyone. I am just answering - with facts - to something I believe is not accurate.

Best,
Andre

[Buttman]

Dear Buttman,

I respect your opinion, but I disagree. I had to explain to the Circuito audience (many of whom are users here) why mr. Young was not coming to our party.

I have no fear of "getting in trouble", because everything I posted is absolutely true. We have worked hard to bring great techno artists to Brasil for three years now, we are very proud of our work, and I stand by every word I wrote.

Best,
Andre

"Dear Buttman" ;)

I see your point but you should not quote one of Claude's emails and/or go into personal details. I am sure the audience will understand if you tell them only there was some VISA problem.

[The Overfiend]

Summer of Sam,

Sorry, but I think you got it wrong. No one is trying to humiliate anyone. I am just answering - with facts - to something I believe is not accurate.

Best,
Andre

No
I think you got it wrong,
read the rules of the forum,
you are airing out dirty laundry YOU have with Claude, that was not a result of this forum.
SO I would suggest you handle this with Claude PRIVATELY. With all due respect.

[CY2]

Well guy's see what im talking about. This guy does not know me and this is how he deal's with shit first time out.
Like a clown!
Please forgive him for his ignorance, he's just behaving like a child who had his toy taken away from him.

And his attitude shows he's not about the music. These are exactly the kind of promoters I will no longer be dealing with in future.

Strictly underground from here on out.

To all readers, don't bother to respond to this guys as he's just trying to start trouble for his own gain and this is the kind of thing we need to stamp out in this business full stop.

Not playing in Brazil wont stop me from producing or making music so his post are surely to stir up trouble and everyone should take note of this.

I wont discuss details about the agreement on line bu tI can promise u all was done to make the booking happen, but the process was flawed for sure and now im glad I'm not going...

I apologize to all the fans in Brazil for the inconvenience and send my regards.
C

[Miromiric]

claude,
you are such a drama queen. ;)

[Martin Dust]

Ermmm, So you have a ticket, paid for like - what happens if you don't get in? Didn't work like that when I went but that was 2yrs ago.

But this is all out of order man - who the **** posts mails on forum, sickening.

[Frank Dogshit]

i still think the brazillian audience needs to know the truth about claudes cancellation (which is the point andre is trying to get across) and if its through a message board then so be it....

i always had the impression that the Circuito promoters were well respected and had been running great partys for a good while now. All the best djs have played there and continue to do so....

sounds like theres more to this whole charade than a refused visa...

[Sunil]

But this is all out of order man - who the **** posts mails on forum, sickening.

It is not the done thing, sure. But this guy feels aggrieved, and apparantly quite convinced of Claude's wrong doing in this incident. NONE of us know the real story and none of us should be quick to defend or scorn either party. Circuito did the wrong thing by posting up Claude's email for sure, and i'm sure he realises that now.

Circuito thinks he's right and he wants people to know it, good enough reason to argue his point I believe. I'm not saying Claude messed up but I don't think everyone should assume he was in the right, even the good guys can mess up sometimes :)

Anyway, as was mentioned already.. PMs are to way to sort it from here on in. It's unfortunate this has happened, I'm sure both sides would have enjoyed the gig if it had gone ahead!

[CY2]

Well when someone ask you to do something, u do it and then circumstances get all screwed up your not bound to go through with it.

As I said before im not going into details here but if you dont know the details dont get involved.

And for the guy who is sticking up for this prick, u dont know me so no matter how many "Good" DJ's play at their event u cant possibly understand the whole situation.

Bottom line is if u want to support their event's fine. Im sure they are good events. But that does not give them the right to do as they wish and just spread things about like this.

These are the people who are controlling the scene and this is the reason people cant see their favorite DJ's in some areas.

Some guy throws a party and starts power tripping, if u cant get a visa u cant get in, right????

Anyway the bottom line in all this is you people here keep this scene going, so what becomes of it is up to you guys....

Later
C

[eyes without a face]

a messy one for sure it seems...

Circuitio is a big name in the brazilian scene and lots of the big djs play there yes, this doesnt mean its run by nice people, im not saying it isnt, but judging by the way Circuitio have come on here and posted personal, private emails from Claude show's, imo, that they dont have the morals that maybe everyone thinks they do.

sure its a great shame for the fans over there that Claude wont be playing, but has anyone thought that Claude may have been disapointed also? true we dont know the whole facts, and neither party has to tell us, it really doesnt involve anyone else, but for Circuitio to come on here and act the way they have is very unprofessional.

Gigs get booked, troubles flare up, gigs get cancelled.... im sure its not the first and it wont be the last for Circuitio or for any other club for that matter, be it in Brazil, England or timbuktoo!

the club have booked a good replacement in Ruskin, that should of been the end of it, and something tells me that unless this post about Claude's laptop wasnt here, then Circuitio wouldnt have even came here to say anything, and what they did say only turned into a personal attack on someone that anyone who understands this scene and the people in it know is a good, honest, genuinely honest Dj and all round top bloke.

Playa hating is just OTT in my book, especially to this level, and if this had happened to me, well id be glad i wasnt go to play for them either

[CY2]

a messy one for sure it seems...

Circuitio is a big name in the brazilian scene and lots of the big djs play there yes, this doesnt mean its run by nice people, im not saying it isnt, but judging by the way Circuitio have come on here and posted personal, private emails from Claude show's, imo, that they dont have the morals that maybe everyone thinks they do.

sure its a great shame for the fans over there that Claude wont be playing, but has anyone thought that Claude may have been disapointed also? true we dont know the whole facts, and neither party has to tell us, it really doesnt involve anyone else, but for Circuitio to come on here and act the way they have is very unprofessional.

Gigs get booked, troubles flare up, gigs get cancelled.... im sure its not the first and it wont be the last for Circuitio or for any other club for that matter, be it in Brazil, England or timbuktoo!

the club have booked a good replacement in Ruskin, that should of been the end of it, and something tells me that unless this post about Claude's laptop wasnt here, then Circuitio wouldnt have even came here to say anything, and what they did say only turned into a personal attack on someone that anyone who understands this scene and the people in it know is a good, honest, genuinely honest Dj and all round top bloke.

Playa hating is just OTT in my book, especially to this level, and if this had happened to me, well id be glad i wasnt go to play for them either

Could not have said it better myself mate.
Ask them if they would pull this stuff on DJ Rush, he cancelled the same event as well, I dont know the reason but I know he did cancel. And my decision to cancel had nothing to do with Rush. I felt bad for them and did my best to try to be there.
I know what its like to have an artist cancel. I had a mate cancel my event here in Glasgow & I didnt get mad.
I just said cool, well sort something out when we can, no need for hostility or smear campaigns.

I was looking forward to going to Brazil, I never played there before so it was a big deal for me as well but it will have to wait for a few more years I guess...

C out...

[Martin Dust]

Well I take people as I find them and I know for a fact who side I'm standing by...end of.

[eyes without a face]

Well I take people as I find them and I know for a fact who side I'm standing by...end of

WORD

Circuito, if you were coming on here to try and get some sort of hate mob going against Claude, well, nice try but no bananna dude... this board is full of people who know exactly what the djs we love and dance to are exactly like, no matter how much whitewashing goes on

[Frank Dogshit]

From CYs original stolen laptop post to him getting slated for cancelling gigs...

Furthest off topic this board has ever had i think....

[eyes without a face]

well its only Circuito to blame for that one innit

[Sunil]

And for the guy who is sticking up for this prick, u dont know me so no matter how many "Good" DJ's play at their event u cant possibly understand the whole situation.

Bottom line is if u want to support their event's fine. Im sure they are good events. But that does not give them the right to do as they wish and just spread things about like this.

I'm not really sticking up for anyone, and I never said it was your fault. The fact is NO-ONE here knows what happened, however people are quicker to take the side of the well known guy and tell the other guy to sling his hook. He made a mistake in posting it up here in the first place, and posting up your email was out of order, so I guess people are vindicated in giving him an ear bashing.

In reference to the bigger picture beyond this thread though, I think people are too quick to form opinions before they know the 1st thing about what actually happened.

[Sunil]

well its only Circuito to blame for that one innit

You made your point already ;)