www.jetgroove.com

[serox]

It`s like setting up an electrical shop.
everyone comes in and goes, oh, I`d like one of them flat screen TV`s.

"Oh, well we don`t actually have any yet......"
Any company that starts off by selling nothing but "air" strikes me as a little bit hooky to begin with.

its a bit cheeky in a way, but a good idea which has worked. they have not ripped anyone off.

[zaalmoetlos]

It`s like setting up an electrical shop.
everyone comes in and goes, oh, I`d like one of them flat screen TV`s.

"Oh, well we don`t actually have any yet......"
Any company that starts off by selling nothing but "air" strikes me as a little bit hooky to begin with.

its a bit cheeky in a way, but a good idea which has worked. they have not ripped anyone off.

they may not have ripped anyone of yet but they have certainly pissed off a lot of people

[MARKEG]

well that's all totally crazy. what a way of working. pretend to sell everyone's tracks, get them pissed off and then somehow get them to do business with you.

this is pretty genious actually. they just put anything they can find on the site and wait for you to contact them. and this is why it's working, creating a stir: everyone in the underground industry is scared about mp3 downloads and they think to themselves, I'm going to have to do business with these people, just to survive.

well i say f that. that's just damn right cheeky. think about the principle of the thing. surely there's a way that a site could be set up that acually cares about the artists and the music they're selling. so we don't have to deal with people like this.

but now i think deeper about this, this is not going to work. as a punter you go on there and see the tracks you want and get constant 'not available'. what type of customer is going to visit the site again?

it seems fundamentally flawed. i really wouldn't worry too much about them.

[Miromiric]

and lots of other ppl could get ideas and not have items in stock unavailable!

[g]

just spoke to hawtin and his label guy and sent a note to dj bone. we'll see what happens. sounds like a backward marketing idea that's going to bite them in the azz.

[Miromiric]

EVERYONE in the business is alert by this hour.

[dirty_bass]

I say storm the castle, kill everyone, decapitate the baron!!!

[eyes without a face]

of course its dodgy schlongfingers, anyone who falsely advertises tracks for download (tracks they havent asked permission to use!) and then turns around and says "actually, we dont have any of the files, but we are hoping now we've advertised them without the producers permission that the said producers are going to give us all their music!" is definately up to something fishy in my book

try putting these words into a sentance to get my personal view on the cheeky blighters

pole, barge, wouldnt, with, it, touch and ten foot

:)

[Evil G]

i figure they are on very unstable legal ground. think of it this way; somebody is searching for a dave the drummer track, and is drawn to these guys' web site because the search engine registers a match. they go to the site and find that the dave the drummer track isn't really for sale, but since they are in the store, they find something else to buy.

even though the artists track isn't being sold, it's still being used to draw potential customers in. that's the same thing as putting someone's name on a flyer without talking to them first. people come to hear them, they aren't there, but oh well, it's a party. how would you like it if you had to scan for flyers with your name on them, then call up the promoter and say, ya, i guess since i'm on the flyer, i'll play your party. as if!

[jam]

thats a great idea that



evil as **** though and i bet these people have no care for the music industry and that people feed there families with there music.



good bussiness idea though if you have no morals or are down right evil

[Internal Error Records]

i say sue them. my lawyer says enjoy the free publicity and set up a liscense with them.


the have done wrong and can be sued. they dont need to have sold units to have performed fraud and mis representation. they are also potentialy breaking criminal laws just not civil.

and i settledown i'll probably go with the advise of my lawyer.

[The Divide]

I don’t like it because it’s the sale of mp3's, I don’t see why the industry should compromise sound quality for ease of download.

I would be more supportive if they sold wave files in a world where we are on million meg a second connection shiz. .

[Miromiric]

they obviously download tracks from soulseek or similiar appz. just look at the names of the EPs, reminds me of nomenclature ways of those illegal cracking/warez groups.

[schlongfingers]

of course its dodgy schlongfingers, anyone who falsely advertises tracks for download (tracks they havent asked permission to use!) and then turns around and says "actually, we dont have any of the files, but we are hoping now we've advertised them without the producers permission that the said producers are going to give us all their music!" is definately up to something fishy in my book

"i figure they are on very unstable legal ground. think of it this way; somebody is searching for a dave the drummer track, and is drawn to these guys' web site because the search engine registers a match. they go to the site and find that the dave the drummer track isn't really for sale, but since they are in the store, they find something else to buy.

So therefore this is illegal? http://www.nuloop.com/Result2_e.php?...&image.y=0

I don't see the difference here, aside from the option for label owners to opt out - it's is cutting out the distributor, but maybe that's the price of deleopment? Direct sale.

[eyes without a face]

i dont think anyone is disputing the legality of the service (although id put a tenner on the people behind it being on the wrong side of legal!), selling mp3's for download is commonplace these days, its more the methods that have been employed by Jetgroove.

i dont get ur point tho? you've linked us to an online record store? as far as im aware nuloop is a legitimate online record store and the sales of Blackout Audio records are all legal?

someone feel free to correct me if i am wrong obviously... as far as i can see its just a normal online record store?

[eyes without a face]

that should of read "i dont think many people are disputing the legality of the service" because obviously people have mentioned if its illegal or not

just before anyone picks up on that haha

[g]

posted this over in dark/exp but just for the sake of thread-friendliness..

some interesting info from mateo murphy:

as those of you who are familiar with allofmp3.com may know, in Russia they have what's called a compulsory licensing law which means that you simply have to make a payment to the appropriate body to sell music online, without requiring permission of the label owner. the thing is that, while they have the right to sell, you don't necessarily have the right to buy because the rest of the world doesn't have the same law and purchase of music is subject to the laws of the buyers country.

[schlongfingers]

i dont get ur point tho? you've linked us to an online record store? as far as im aware nuloop is a legitimate online record store and the sales of Blackout Audio records are all legal?

someone feel free to correct me if i am wrong obviously... as far as i can see its just a normal online record store?

Every single Blackout release on that store is 'out of stock' and contains an 'add to wishlist' button (as for 99% of the music listed on the Nuloop website) - this is in essence EXACTLY the same as what Jetgroove are doing.

[eyes without a face]

no its not, because nuloop is an online record store that sells records in the legal way i.e deals with distribution companies, everything is above board, where as jetgroove have basically advertised tracks in mp3 format for sale without seeking permission from anyone they should, like distributors, artists, record labels etc etc.... i really dont know how u can try and make a defence/argument for this website when its apparent to everyone and i mean literaly EVERYONE involved that they are being quite ruthless in their actions and basically have no regard for any of the artists they are doing wrong too

surely u can see this???

there is a massive difference between what nuloop and jetgroove do...... massive!

[eyes without a face]

also i must point out mate, the major difference to me is that on nuloop these records have actually been in stock legally and have simply sold out. as far as im aware its the complete discretion as to wether they order more in, if the record has sold out then it must be a good seller and they will usually order more.... maybe nuloop have let things slide a little i dont know, but ul find this happening on most web-based record stores i think!

;)