Jetgroove.com Are your tracks being illegally sold online?

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it may not be anti-russian rhetoric as much as it is the copyright and purchase-as-it-relates-to-copyright laws are different in very russia from most of the rest of the world.

[zaalmoetlos]

I didn't like the anti-russian intonation either.

it's not anti russian at all it just shows you they are not an english company, trying to make everybody believe they are. This in combination with all the other factors makes them dodgy to say the least. If u want to read some sort of racism into it be free, but then you're missing the point. For all i care they could be from mars and then u could insert mars/marsian where it says rusia/rusian

[TiagoTechnoHead]

I ´m often using it and I´ve already talked to two guys that were selling some tracks , but they out now ( i have not seen them anynmore) . It was only new releases, sorted by day, month and year !! I got angry , I remember ... There are guys trying to make some money, without pay nothing !!!

Who uses Soulseek , pay atention !! Let´s hack them !!

[schlongfingers]

Who cares that they aren't English - it's hardly any kind of guarantee is it. It was clearly a Russian site, if they were trying to apppear English then I doubt they would have used Russian names as contact points.

@ Tiagotechnohead - they WERE NOT selling anything - all that was available was short clips.

Anyway, I'm bored to the back teeth - I only buy vinyl anyway ffs.[/i]

[tocsin]

I didn't like the anti-russian intonation either.

Well, here is something to keep in mind. Russia is very much a hotbed of internet scamming at the moment which is connected to organized crime. I haven't looked at the site really. But, a friend of mine who also had his material for sale on there was pissed because they were allowing you to purchase a minimum $20 cash credit towards purchases so that, when they came available, you could just download them. I'm sorry, but that is a ****ing scam if they've never contacted the artists and are using their tracks as an incentive to get people to purchase a line of credit with them. How was the line of credit purchased? On the web with a CC#. Is it so farfetched to think that a company with unethical and illegal practices might not be doing something with that credit information as well?

[schlongfingers]

Well, here is something to keep in mind. Russia is very much a hotbed of internet scamming at the moment which is connected to organized crime. I haven't looked at the site really. But, a friend of mine who also had his material for sale on there was pissed because they were allowing you to purchase a minimum $20 cash credit towards purchases so that, when they came available, you could just download them. I'm sorry, but that is a **** scam if they've never contacted the artists and are using their tracks as an incentive to get people to purchase a line of credit with them. How was the line of credit purchased? On the web with a CC#. Is it so farfetched to think that a company with unethical and illegal practices might not be doing something with that credit information as well?

I had quite an in depth look at the site, and it was clearly written that the requested material was unavailable BEFORE the offer to purchase credits was displayed - sorry, but I can't believe that many people would pay until they knew for SURE they could purchase what they wanted.

I think too much effort has gone into this in terms of design and development for it to be a short term card harvesting operation - the development company has bases in two US cities as well as Russia and a client base that many design agencies would be highly envious of. I doubt they would risk contracts likely to be worth tens of thousands of pounds for a few thousand credit card details.

No what you are saying is not farfetched, but it wouldn't be farfetched if the company was based in the US, or the UK, or any other country in the world. Using a credit card on the internet is dangerous full stop. Luckily cards have good fraud coverage these days!

[MangaFish]

i totally agree with s.fingers on this.

i see it as is an innocent marketing gimmick which massively back fired. i dont agree with their tactics, but i give them credit for doing something a little different and it wasnt such a bad idea in theory.

Business’s NEED to stick their necks on the line with new marketing strategies once in a while otherwise economy simply wouldnt evolve and grow.

i'm sure if more people took time out to read the documentation on this and descussed rather then accused the situation at hand, there wouldnt be so much panic and there cirtinally wouldnt be 5 threads on BOA with people saying the same thing over and over again.

[tocsin]

I had quite an in depth look at the site, and it was clearly written that the requested material was unavailable BEFORE the offer to purchase credits was displayed - sorry, but I can't believe that many people would pay until they knew for SURE they could purchase what they wanted.

Actually, didn't you have to add the song to your cart before you were told if it was unavailable? The store-cash option was something different which someone may have been inclined to purchase before even checking if all the titles they wanted were available. In the end, it doesn't really matter what the site may have said to begin with. They were listing tracks in their database which hadn't even been released. Why assume "best intentions" of an outfit that has already gone a sketchy route? Usually, the worst intentions end up being the truth which is why I don't think suspicions of credit card fraud are farfetched.

No what you are saying is not farfetched, but it wouldn't be farfetched if the company was based in the US, or the UK, or any other country in the world. Using a credit card on the internet is dangerous full stop. Luckily cards have good fraud coverage these days!

Yet, recently, a number of card harvesting operations, through a number of tricks, have been coming out of Russia all supposedly connected to organized crime. Hence, I don't see where any allegations were "anti-Russian." I honestly don't know the laws surrounding fraud in Russia and how well their police are able to enforce them. I already know it happens in the US as I've gotten hit on multiple cards with charges from "FunCo" for shit I haven't bought. As far as I know, all they have is a legit CBI account or something similar. Anyone with a little bit of time on their hands can do web design.

[schlongfingers]

Actually, didn't you have to add the song to your cart before you were told if it was unavailable? The store-cash option was something different which someone may have been inclined to purchase before even checking if all the titles they wanted were available. In the end, it doesn't really matter what the site may have said to begin with. They were listing tracks in their database which hadn't even been released. Why assume "best intentions" of an outfit that has already gone a sketchy route? Usually, the worst intentions end up being the truth which is why I don't think suspicions of credit card fraud are farfetched.

Yes you had to click on purchase or whatever - I see your point. But really that's down to the user - if they are going to give someone their credit card details without checking the service out thoroughly first then they aren't going to get on with the internet very well in the long run. It's a jungle out there.

I don't think that 'the worst intentions [usually] end up being the truth', I do think that people always suspect the worst however.

Only time will tell whether Jetgroove is illegal or a scam any more - the same argument could be applied to ANY website. It takes only one weak link in a chain to scam an e-commerce website - just one trusted programmer with access to the source code of any major online stores can insert one line of code (or less) and cream off credit card details for every single transaction - even if this was in place for only 8 hours the profit would be stupendous. A little bit of data shuffling with other scammers to put the fraud squad off the scent and sell the data on... yes there is huge profit to be made in scamming cc details, but it can (and probably is regularly) be done in a far less traceable, far more profitable manner than building a propreitory mp3 download service targeted at independent record labels.

Yet, recently, a number of card harvesting operations, through a number of tricks, have been coming out of Russia all supposedly connected to organized crime. Hence, I don't see where any allegations were "anti-Russian." I honestly don't know the laws surrounding fraud in Russia and how well their police are able to enforce them. I already know it happens in the US as I've gotten hit on multiple cards with charges from "FunCo" for shit I haven't bought. As far as I know, all they have is a legit CBI account or something similar.

I'd venture that in the west we are a lot more likely to hear of Russian, African or South American based scams than of US, Europe or Australian based ones. However I am not convinced that there are less fraudsters in the west than there are elsewhere (take a look at http://63.240.81.5/phpBB2 for an insight into the methods of western based fraudsters - they are prevalent). If I'm talking honestly I think that it makes sense for the (what I consider to be government controlled) media to hype up fear of foreign fraudsters - it encourages the populace to buy from established brands and businesses within their own countries, therefore benefiting the host nation financially and maintaining a 'healthy' xenophobia.

Anyone with a little bit of time on their hands can do web design.

Cheers mate, that's the last 6 years of my life down the drain :lol: But seriously, if 'anyone' could do web design, and more pertinently in this case web development, then the wages in the industry would not be as high as they are.

[MangaFish]

Anyone with a little bit of time on their hands can do web design.

anyone if a little bit of time on their hands can do an amaturish web design but how many people can do a professional web site like this?
its a bit more than a coffee break job

[tocsin]

Anyone with a little bit of time on their hands can do web design.

anyone if a little bit of time on their hands can do an amaturish web design but how many people can do a professional web site like this?
its a bit more than a coffee break job

So, you mean you've never seen online criminal ventures/organizations with flashy websites? The warez kiddiez seemed to have that shit down to a science for awhile now. To be honest, I don't really care either way. Looks, however, are never indicitive of anything other than that the site looks good. I've gotten a number of "professional" sites trying to slip me the byte verify trojan in the past. Until I see otherwise, I'll assume the worse. Not saying you have to. But, in my current reality construct, that's how it generally works out when it comes to companies engaging in illegal behavior.