Quote Originally Posted by tocsin
Actually, didn't you have to add the song to your cart before you were told if it was unavailable? The store-cash option was something different which someone may have been inclined to purchase before even checking if all the titles they wanted were available. In the end, it doesn't really matter what the site may have said to begin with. They were listing tracks in their database which hadn't even been released. Why assume "best intentions" of an outfit that has already gone a sketchy route? Usually, the worst intentions end up being the truth which is why I don't think suspicions of credit card fraud are farfetched.
Yes you had to click on purchase or whatever - I see your point. But really that's down to the user - if they are going to give someone their credit card details without checking the service out thoroughly first then they aren't going to get on with the internet very well in the long run. It's a jungle out there.

I don't think that 'the worst intentions [usually] end up being the truth', I do think that people always suspect the worst however.

Only time will tell whether Jetgroove is illegal or a scam any more - the same argument could be applied to ANY website. It takes only one weak link in a chain to scam an e-commerce website - just one trusted programmer with access to the source code of any major online stores can insert one line of code (or less) and cream off credit card details for every single transaction - even if this was in place for only 8 hours the profit would be stupendous. A little bit of data shuffling with other scammers to put the fraud squad off the scent and sell the data on... yes there is huge profit to be made in scamming cc details, but it can (and probably is regularly) be done in a far less traceable, far more profitable manner than building a propreitory mp3 download service targeted at independent record labels.

Yet, recently, a number of card harvesting operations, through a number of tricks, have been coming out of Russia all supposedly connected to organized crime. Hence, I don't see where any allegations were "anti-Russian." I honestly don't know the laws surrounding fraud in Russia and how well their police are able to enforce them. I already know it happens in the US as I've gotten hit on multiple cards with charges from "FunCo" for shit I haven't bought. As far as I know, all they have is a legit CBI account or something similar.
I'd venture that in the west we are a lot more likely to hear of Russian, African or South American based scams than of US, Europe or Australian based ones. However I am not convinced that there are less fraudsters in the west than there are elsewhere (take a look at http://63.240.81.5/phpBB2 for an insight into the methods of western based fraudsters - they are prevalent). If I'm talking honestly I think that it makes sense for the (what I consider to be government controlled) media to hype up fear of foreign fraudsters - it encourages the populace to buy from established brands and businesses within their own countries, therefore benefiting the host nation financially and maintaining a 'healthy' xenophobia.

Anyone with a little bit of time on their hands can do web design.
Cheers mate, that's the last 6 years of my life down the drain :lol: But seriously, if 'anyone' could do web design, and more pertinently in this case web development, then the wages in the industry would not be as high as they are.