Heroes X 5

[Adverse]

:clap:

[dirty_bass]

maybe I've just been listening to it for too long, but I see no progression whatsover here.

I have to agree with you.
Nice stuff, but if you`ve got one, you`ve got em all.

[The Overfiend]

I think some producers have a recipe,
once you get a lil something you want more of it, there is obviously a market for it
so of course it will sell.
I don't mind it.
But then again I like a lot of different stuff,
I still appreciate this one.

[Heroes]

Normally i dont get involved in these kind of things because i dont get to much time to let forums be a part of my everyday life, but its good to hear all the views from all angles posative & negative not that either influence me to take any path because production is a personal journey. Along that road you will please some but not all, like Mr Marley said "you can please some people sometimes but you cant please all the people all the time"

Ive spent a rare half day looking through many various threads and this site is a credit to mark hes done a good job moderating what i think is a good site. even pulling the out of control handbag disscusuions into line

Across the board theres so many good points thats a credit to the underground movement and its followers. but the one thing thats not a credit to it are the hypocritcal ones, so people lets think before we whack up comments or one image answers because you may find you fall into being one of these.

hypocrite

\Hyp"o*crite\, n. [F., fr. L. hypocrita, Gr. ? one who plays a part on the stage, a dissembler, feigner. See Hypocrisy.] One who plays a part; especially, one who, for the purpose of winning approbation of favor, puts on a fair outside seeming; one who feigns to be other and better than he is; a false pretender to virtue or piety; one who simulates virtue or piety.


hypocrite

n : a person who professes beliefs and opinions that he does not hold [syn: dissembler, phony, phoney, pretender]



hypocrite

one who puts on a mask and feigns himself to be what he is not; a dissembler


just a thought

[tioneb]

:clap:

lol i remember that one or two years ago i got massively slagged for saying some people in tehno do not innovate. coz of that i just thought that the best is to ingore them and leave this music lovers enjoying themselves.

i think its better to spend our time and energy to spot on the newcommers, the innovators, and *hopefully* contribute ourselves to this evolution techno sriously lacks and needs.

some other topics mention dance music is dying, and the record sales are her to prove that (though every music genre was affected by the sales decrease). i think 2005 will be determining for the techno scene : innovate, or die.

[Adverse]

Normally i dont get involved in these kind of things because i dont get to much time to let forums be a part of my everyday life, but its good to hear all the views from all angles posative & negative not that either influence me to take any path because production is a personal journey. Along that road you will please some but not all, like Mr Marley said "you can please some people sometimes but you cant please all the people all the time"

Ive spent a rare half day looking through many various threads and this site is a credit to mark hes done a good job moderating what i think is a good site. even pulling the out of control handbag disscusuions into line

Across the board theres so many good points thats a credit to the underground movement and its followers. but the one thing thats not a credit to it are the hypocritcal ones, so people lets think before we whack up comments or one image answers because you may find you fall into being one of these.

hypocrite

\Hyp"o*crite\, n. [F., fr. L. hypocrita, Gr. ? one who plays a part on the stage, a dissembler, feigner. See Hypocrisy.] One who plays a part; especially, one who, for the purpose of winning approbation of favor, puts on a fair outside seeming; one who feigns to be other and better than he is; a false pretender to virtue or piety; one who simulates virtue or piety.


hypocrite

n : a person who professes beliefs and opinions that he does not hold [syn: dissembler, phony, phoney, pretender]



hypocrite

one who puts on a mask and feigns himself to be what he is not; a dissembler


just a thought

i fail to see any hypocrisy. heroes is a good label, i know you work hard/are real proud of it. keep it up and i know these records please a lot of people. just a thought though? maybe not every track you make should be remixed? it's just a bit redundant. i have always been a fan of the originals through and through. that's all.

[jon connor]

just a thought[/quote]

i fail to see any hypocrisy. heroes is a good label, i know you work hard/are real proud of it. keep it up and i know these records please a lot of people. just a thought though? maybe not every track you make should be remixed? it's just a bit redundant. i have always been a fan of the originals through and through. that's all.[/quote]


DUDE YOU CANOT BE SERIOUS, THE HEROES XL REMIXES ARE SOMTIMES BETTER, AND I CAN VOUCH FOR HEROES HERE AS IVE PLAYED EVERY SINGLE 1 OF THEM AT PARTYS ACROSS THE COUNTRY. I LIKE THE WAY GLEN STILL KEEPS HIS TRACKS MINIMAL, AND NOT FULL OF EFFECTS SWISHING AND SWOSHING EVERY 2 MINUTES LIKE SOMTHING YOU WOULD GET FROM EUROPE. WHY DO I LIKE THIS ? BECAUSE YOU CAN MAKE THE SET YOUR OWN , WHEN MIXING THESE RECORDS . USE YOUR OWN CREATIVITY IN THE SET.I HAVE TO SAY GLENS TRACKS ON THESE RECORDS ARE EXELLENT FOR TRICKS AND SKILLS, ITS HOW YOU PLAY THEM ? I LIKE TO THINK THAT THESE RECORDS ARE GOOD TOOLS FOR MY SET, OF COURSE I CAN SEE WHY PEOPLE GET BORED OF THIS SOUND,THE TRICK IS TO NOT PLAY SO MANY IN 1 SET, JUST A COUPLE HERE + THERE. FROM A DJ POINT OF VEIW AND NOT A PRODUCERS POINT OF VIEW, I HAVE TO SAY THESE TRACKS ARE NUCLEAR WEAPONS FOR THE OLD RECORD BOX.

PRODUCTION QUALITY ON THESE RECORDS , ARE FANTASTIC ,IT` GIVES MYSELF AND MY OTHER FELLOW WELSH UP AND COMING PRODUCERS EMENSE INSPERATION ,FOR THE LESSON OF E.Q
WEVE PLAYED THESE RECORDS IN QUARRYS,CAVES,DISSUSED TRAIN TUNNELS,INSIDE MOUNTAINS,ASWELL AS CLUBS. THEY ROCK!

ONCE AGAIN WELCOME BACK HEROES! :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:
US WELSH BOYS WILL CERTANILY BE MAKING THE HILLS COME ALIVE WITH THE SOUND OF HEROES ONCE AGAIN IN THE FORTHCOMING MONTHS.

THE ADVENTURES OF THE HEROES SAGA CONTINUES ? :

[dirty_bass]

Turn the damn caps of man, I know wales is a long way away, but there`s no need to shout from the valleys :lol:

Well, these records will sell, we all know this, and fair play to Glen.
But looking at the big picture in techno, we all need to take the sound forward as techno has remained pretty stagnant as whole for the last 2 - 3 years.
I mean I can play records from 3 -4 years ago, along with the freshest cuts, and there is no noticable progression.
This is a dying scene that needs innovation and change.
Rather than just endless labels full of nothing but DJ tools, that at the end of the day will end up only amusing DJ`s, wanking off to themselves, while punter, feeling left out, goes off to find something with more meaning to them.

This isn`t directed at glen, at least in terms of production, his sound is a very high standard, and has inspired the huge glut of imitations that fills up the market.
It`s a sign of respect that so much techno sounds like Punish and Heroes, but I think people like glen, who in a way, are figure heads, have a responsibility to push the sound of techno forward, to secure its future.

[The Overfiend]

we all need to take the sound forward as techno has remained pretty stagnant as whole for the last 2 - 3 years.

This is a dying scene that needs innovation and change.

I think people like glen, who in a way, are figure heads, have a responsibility to push the sound of techno forward, to secure its future

.

Very good points, Steve.
I agree with Glenn as well for people not to be hypocritical.
Not one person here I am sure can tell me they never purchased a punish or planet rhythm,
Both labels which have garnered a rediculous amount of respect. I can still name classics from these labels.
Although Glenn I will be honest with you I think people want to see fresher blood on your labels.
Or even a different sound, it seems people are rebelling so to speak against the loop sound which I don't agree with because there is a place for everything in techno, which some people don't understand.
But I believe the problem is that people want to see your labels break something new again. Rather than the excellent dj tools they are known for I would assume it is time to break the mold once again.
Punish is an ill label but it has only been a handful of people, there are some rugged individuals out there making some next level shit man, give em' a chance.
The Attack People deserve a Planet Rhythm release.
Bring back Colours, and Template!
Corner the market again with some rediculously hot shit, this way no one can talk any f*cksh*t.

[schlongfingers]

I have never purchased a planet rhythm or a punish.

I got a promo once, but that was free so don't count.

[MARKEG]

Well put everyone, some great discussion here. I think at the end of the day Glenn and those at the forfront of techno DO have a massive responsibility to push techno forward. I'm sure Glenn will agree. But this is the reason that this release has had so much attention: There's only been one Hereos release for the whole of this year! I'm sure Glenn will be the first to admit that his labels haven't exactly been firing on all cylinders this year, like they were last year.

Whatever Glenn's reasons for this, I think that it can only be expected that ppl may critisise this for not moving on. I think though after hearing the new Submissions which is out soon, you will not be able to say half of what is written here. And the new Compound too now I think about it. But seriously though, the new Submissions is mind blowing.

:clap: :clap:

Anyway great discussion. Makes me want to get into the studio and make something totally different ;)

[The Overfiend]

I'm sure Glenn doesn't owe anyone an explanation in fact I think you put it best Mark in saying that the next few releases will make people stand quiet.

[gary_human]

This is a dying scene that needs innovation and change.
Rather than just endless labels full of nothing but DJ tools, that at the end of the day will end up only amusing DJ`s, wanking off to themselves, while punter, feeling left out, goes off to find something with more meaning to them.

Most of the techno on this Hard Techno forum is about people dancing to it - that's the whole point of it - not forums like this. I dont think people are going to leave the dancefloor when I put HeroesX5 on at my next DJ gig and then procede to "wank off" to it and play it at my next gig.

Heroes label has got a style and sound and whether Glenn decides to stick with the labels style or go on a new radical path, he still gonna get slated as he's at the top of the pile and everyone looks to Glenn for direction - he aint offering anything for anyone to copy or imitate as everyone seems to not like the 'loop' sound? If people want to look for inspiration and the 'next' thing Im pretty sure check out Fernando / Black Jackal / The Divide from this forum as that geezas shit is blowing my mind and Im pretty sure I aint the only one?

If it aint broke dont fix it and in my book it aint.

Im pretty sure Glenn's template and compound labels will continue to push on the radical new sounds of techno as they always have.

Innovation and change can come from different ways, not necessarialy by getting your favorite producers to come up with a new sound - I think it would have to be more through the ways techno is distributed to the 'people' or the way it is promoted in the dance venues? Maybe a BOA mixtape featuring all the fresh new talent on this forum would be a good idea in my book - the amount of people knocking out mixes on Ableton is growing and growing and I cant do it as it aint on record and I havent got CD decks yet. Can always give them out at parties or sell em for £2/£3 to cover costs?

Glen's techno will always make me dance til im in to me zim zimmer frame (not long now Im sure!!!)

[dirty_bass]

Most of the techno on this Hard Techno forum is about people dancing to it - that's the whole point of it - not forums like this. I dont think people are going to leave the dancefloor when I put HeroesX5 on at my next DJ gig and then procede to "wank off" to it and play it at my next gig.

Don`t take that comment the wrong way, I`m not talking literally, I`m talking about the big long term picture, dwindling numbers etc.

whoa.
as I said my comment was more general and not aimed at glen in particular.
But as I have noticed when something different gets played in a set full of DJ tools, people go nuts.
Hero`s, punish etc are very good labels in their own rights.
But if you look at it like big bands for a comparison.
When Oasis music stayed the same, album sales dropped off, people lost interest etc. this is happening in techno. Sales are dropping off, less people are buying stuff, and I think innovation is needed to revitalise things

[gary_human]

No offence taken mate - I just do jerk off behind the decks ;) :lol:

But as I have noticed when something different gets played in a set full of DJ tools, people go nuts.

Yeah but on the other hand a complete set of 'differnet' tracks may not captivate the audience so much.

Yeah I think the good thing from this thread is maybe everyone talking about the fact that yeah hard dancefllor techno need to repackage itself and put its collective heads together to tackle the next wave of interest in the sound - maybe we can make people like it coz its good rather than just wait round for the second coming?

How will the kids get into techno - the same way I did ? (peple sticking gastly pills down my neck?)

surely techno out grown being a druggie music?

[G-whizz]

No offence taken mate - I just do jerk off behind the decks ;) :lol:

But as I have noticed when something different gets played in a set full of DJ tools, people go nuts.

Yeah but on the other hand a complete set of 'differnet' tracks may not captivate the audience so much.

Yeah I think the good thing from this thread is maybe everyone talking about the fact that yeah hard dancefllor techno need to repackage itself and put its collective heads together to tackle the next wave of interest in the sound - maybe we can make people like it coz its good rather than just wait round for the second coming?

How will the kids get into techno - the same way I did ? (peple sticking gastly pills down my neck?)

surely techno out grown being a druggie music?

techno was never realy druggie music in my book .... was listening to gabba and a bit of techno before I got into chemicals

[serox]

sorry guys, people going to hate me for this.
i find this so boring. if i heard it out i could guess who made it. sounds the same as what they have done before:(
the early heroes stuff i like the most. label is getting worse every release i hear:(
needs to change, move on, i want to hear some thing that sounds different and really stands out.

just not feeling it right now, sorry.

[dirty_bass]

I think, this thread has gone a little beyond poor Glen and his labels, in terms of what we are talking about now.
But it`s good that this discussion is happening, it shows we all have a passion.
We all need critisism in techno as we are all so passionate we all think we are right.
Only when we become egotistical and stop listening do we have a problem.
Hopefully discussion likes this will allow us all to keep our feet on the ground and not get complacent.

It`s all love.

[Adverse]

really sunil had it best.

[tioneb]

Not one person here I am sure can tell me they never purchased a punish or planet rhythm,

eh oure right !! i own 3*punish.... and 1 Planet Rythm (oh by the way if i werent a record geek i would buy this one, "tonal path" anyone ???)...

out of a thousand records ....

one of my earliest bought records is some colours stuff by mike humphrise (there is a mispressing on the b side) and i still like it a lot =)