Sven wittikend on absract

[Mindful]

yep cool track this not seen its effect in a club yet but it deffo makes me shake mi pant legs.
I do like Svens work its good stuff but maybe he does use certain templates quite often :hmm: Not that this bothers me to much they still sound good and its not like im gonna play them all in one set i suppose.

hahaha hard technos goin run out of ideas i doubt that very much indeed!!!

[eyes without a face]

not hard techno as a whole, its obvious that alot of people here just think of hard techno as Amok, Wittekind etc and this couldnt b further from the truth. i simply feel that this particular sound of hard techno will run dry at some point as there, again imo, too many labels coming out at the moment with the same artists on who are all friends and sharing the same drum loops, techniques so much so that they end up sounding the same

[schlongfingers]

Techno is techno - at the end of the day it has to be original otherwise it generally sucks. Same applies for all styles of music. Except Schlongstep.

[Mindful]

that wasnt aimed at you Scott bud i started writing it before you posted ;)

many labels coming out at the moment with the same artists on who are all friends and sharing the same drum loops, techniques so much so that they end up sounding the same

this is how it allways been imo

[eyes without a face]

sclongstep hahahaha!

yeah definately mate, i can see what u mean other little groups probably include Space Djs, Martyn Hare, Fenton, McCormack..... Rush, Viper, Kvitta etc etc, but i just think that particular group of hard techno buffs sound a little TOO similar at times.... this release on abstract had a track each from Seema, Sven, Frank and someone else and imo they sound like they were made in the same session using the same loops, im probably wrong but its the end product that counts and to me the end products here are pretty undistinguishable.

each to their own i guess, horses for courses!

[Mindful]

yeah man lets just hope these boys go out n show us what they can realy do.

[Sunil]

Sure thing, I forgot you knew everything. You are of course completely right.

no need for that really, was merely expressing my opinion on the matter, im sure we probably have different opinions on hardcore but hard techno is alot different to it imo.........

and its true, alot of people still love the hard techno sound but alot also agree that the particular hard techno sound that these boys have is getting stale already, so what hope do they have for 2, 3 years down the line?

for me personally its just not acceptable to be knocking out the same drum loops for years, there is no artist development or innovation going on there!

It was was established a long time ago that much of this is sounding stale. No points being made here that haven't been made already, sorry.

[eyes without a face]

i dont care how long ago it was established that this sound is going stale, the geezer posted this and asked for opinions on it, so i gave, simple really.

Unfortunately on message boards like this certain opinions are going to reitterated at times wether we like it or not, it doesnt call for backbiting comments when this happens.

[Sunil]

i dont care how long ago it was established that this sound is going stale, the geezer posted this and asked for opinions on it, so i gave, simple really.

Unfortunately on message boards like this certain opinions are going to reitterated at times wether we like it or not, it doesnt call for backbiting comments when this happens.

It's been said that their music has reached a bit of a standstill, we agree on that.

On one hand there's complaints that they shouldn't be putting out same sounding stuff and then on the other hand that there's no-where left to go with their sound. What should they do then, give up?

I gave a suggestion on where their music could go, or the general direction. Now if it ain't hardcore or music of that ilk then what would it be? Lighter club techno, drum n'bass?!

[massplanck]

Techno is techno - at the end of the day it has to be original otherwise it generally sucks. Same applies for all styles of music. Except Schlongstep.

Is this Dark Schlongstep or Experimental Schlongstep you are talking about?

[Paul Nisbet]

dont agree with comments on the sound running out of ideas really, can be said when peeps are only buyin natus, wittikend tunes etc... but diverse tunes are out there, just takes a little longer to find loads of varied tunes...

[Mindful]

dont agree with comments on the sound running out of ideas really, can be said when peeps are only buyin natus, wittikend tunes etc... but diverse tunes are out there, just takes a little longer to find loads of varied tunes...

:clap: :clap:

[schlongfingers]

dont agree with comments on the sound running out of ideas really, can be said when peeps are only buyin natus, wittikend tunes etc... but diverse tunes are out there, just takes a little longer to find loads of varied tunes...

Agree with you, techno is not running out of ideas - it's just evolution at play. Someone will come along with a whole new style, others will dig it and make similar music, that style then becomes so prevalent that the people buying it get bored - then lo-and-behold a whole new style comes along and everyone jumps on the bandwagon again. It's a merry go round, or a depressawheel depending on how early you join the queue.

The producers to watch are the ones that are varied, innovative and individual - the ones that define a new style, then by the time everyone else has started to rip it off are making completely new sounds.

@ Massplanck - I refer to both types :D but prefer Experischlong.

[DJ Corbzy]

dont agree with comments on the sound running out of ideas really, can be said when peeps are only buyin natus, wittikend tunes etc... but diverse tunes are out there, just takes a little longer to find loads of varied tunes...

Yeah I agree with you completely Paul, but I kinda get the feeling that it will run out of freshness pretty quickly...dunno why!

But I still love the schranz coming out....

[Sunil]

Agree with you, techno is not running out of ideas - it's just evolution at play. Someone will come along with a whole new style, others will dig it and make similar music, that style then becomes so prevalent that the people buying it get bored - then lo-and-behold a whole new style comes along and everyone jumps on the bandwagon again. It's a merry go round, or a depressawheel depending on how early you join the queue.

The producers to watch are the ones that are varied, innovative and individual - the ones that define a new style, then by the time everyone else has started to rip it off are making completely new sounds.

@ Massplanck - I refer to both types :D but prefer Experischlong.

Well I think it was Schranz we were talking about, not techno in general, your points are pretty spot on though.

Personally I still really like the odd Schranz record, but haven't heard or bought a whole lot of it recently.

[Adverse]

not into this at all

really really fed up of this sound now for sure

lol yep. scott speaks truth again.

[eyes without a face]

haha, someone got to! ;)

[massplanck]

@ Massplanck - I refer to both types :D but prefer Experischlong.

My Ball and Chain likes her HardSchlong.

[DJAmok]

The one and ONLY problem the Hardtechno scene (or call it Schranz if you want, but Schranz is the Liebing style, not us) has at the moment, is that basically everyone and their uncle is starting their own label and pressing stuff that got turned down from more established labels in the first place.

Basically of all the German kids who send me demo cds and whom I tell "it ain´t good enough yet", one third starts their own label and releases this shit.

Furtheron, since none of these kids have money (neither did I when I started), no one can afford a decent cut. So there´s tons of low budget stuff coming out of cheap pressing plants in Germany, Czech Rep, etc on labels with no idea of promotion, distribution or even a concept. Some of these labels are just kids wanting to make money, cuz they know in th eonline stores, on a 24kb/s real media stream, most costomers cannot tell the quality difference between their stuff and for example a wittekind, arkus p, amok or seema record.

Most distributors can not tell a good hardtechno track from a bad one, so at the moment, they are taking every stupid new label there is.

I will agree that this is damaging the movement and that it´s hurting the scene.

I will agree that as of late, there has not been the amount of quality tunes in this sector as last year.

BUT

the reason for this is not Hardtechno having no where to go. Wittekind, Seema and myself for example have taken a break from producing to experiment a bit and find a way to go with this sound. A small taste of things to come can be heard on the new Artillery releases. After an admittably stale summer, I have seen the faces of the crowds when I first played these new releases at partys and I could read it off their eyes, that they were overjoyed to finally hear creative new stuff again.

Hardtechno is far from dead! It is evolving into something new. What? That remains to be seen (or heard).



On a side note: Hardtechno can not exist by itself. A night full of 150+bpm madness will bore the crowd. But so will a night of 140bpm looptechno every weekend or techhouse / clickhouse for that matter. Techno has always been diverse, that was what made it big. Nowadays people make a fuss about 5bpm difference and call it a new style and try to split it from the rest. But all that dividing will succeed in doing, is makin the cake smaller for everyone. I say throw all you got in the mix (techno, schranz, hardtechno, hardcore, acid, u name it) and lets bake a bigger cake for everyone.

[TRB]

On a side note: Hardtechno can not exist by itself. A night full of 150+bpm madness will bore the crowd. But so will a night of 140bpm looptechno every weekend or techhouse / clickhouse for that matter. Techno has always been diverse, that was what made it big. Nowadays people make a fuss about 5bpm difference and call it a new style and try to split it from the rest. But all that dividing will succeed in doing, is makin the cake smaller for everyone. I say throw all you got in the mix (techno, schranz, hardtechno, hardcore, acid, u name it) and lets bake a bigger cake for everyone.

I agree with you, here in Brasil we have some problems too. People think it's too hard or too fast, but they allways like to say something bad about different kinds of techno. In the past people loved Acid over here, now the same people hate. Same thing it's happening with hard techno.

But we still have a good crowd and nice parties.

Techno never will die.