Thanks for your replies:)) my point is I hear a lot of tracks that are just PURELY drum-tracks, the element of using "machine noise" (which is what I want to hear LOL!) is vaguely there or not worked on. Inigo especially seems to be able to do this...

I totally accept techno for it tribal elements, rhythm and intelligent sequencing. But how about mood. Listen to "James Ruskin - Correction Centre", this is an evil track with mood:) but it doesnt always have to be "evil" (but its better that way).. im not talking about putting "cheesy" melodies in techno trax:) but if anyone wants to have a go at my cheese comp on bobcat then go for it:)) mine is cheese.mid :)

Electro does a lot for me, it incorporates atmospherics to enhance the "picture painter" in our heads, robotics, technology, etc.. I'd like to see more of this elemnt in techno and its what im trying to achieve:) hmmm

it just pisses me off to see another drumcode release with "nothing" but the same |*-*|-*-| drum sequence in it:)) most techno producers here will have seen this in a drummap in SX im sure:)

With regards "HARD", brutalistic techno im ALL up for it!! its merging this "picture painter" type of sounds into that.. there is a place for "melodic" stuff and that genre is fine with me:))

hmm, i dont really know my point, but id like to see more innovative and matured "robotic" noises in techno, rather than jus beats:) just a request, im not unhappy or complaining but I am extremely angry LOL jk