yeah but you like what you like and some people are more adverse to change than others, i mean dont get me wrong i do still go to rock clubs sometimes for novelty value (and the women) and if im gunna listen to a cd at home it would more likely be tool or alice in chains or sepultura than techno (save that for the dex) so im not slagging the sceane. I really do think that more and more people are realising the feeling you get off music is whats important and some thing that goes BANG BANG BANG and something that goes ROOOOAAAAAAAARRRRR is in fact alot more similar than you at first thought. this will surely rub off more and more on the techno sceane as time goes by