Are Dj Tools Killing Techno ?

**slavestudios** · 03-01-2005, 10:45 PM

i think not, but others think so...

prob a well discussed point but has anyone seen what they percieve as any breakthrough in this field ?

**eyes without a face** · 03-01-2005, 10:59 PM

i love that familiar sound of a good can of worms opening.....

dj tools are not killing techno, thats a strong word, but they are definately playing a part in the current lull that techno finds itself in at the moment...

there are some who use tools well, there are some who dont

**slavestudios** · 03-01-2005, 11:13 PM

Originally Posted by eyes without a face

i love that familiar sound of a good can of worms opening.....

:lol: indeed

there have always been the loop producers from day one imo, but it seems to be more prevelant these days, though there werent so many 3 deck djs 7 or 8 years back i guess

**dirty_bass** · 03-01-2005, 11:17 PM

It ain`t hard to make a loop that runs for 6 mins.
So no, it isn`t killing techno, but it means there is a lot more cack out there made by DJ`s purely for DJ`s, and not necessarily made by musicians.

**eyes without a face** · 03-01-2005, 11:27 PM

i think thats the word i was lookin for there Steve, musicians ;)

**Internal Error Records** · 04-01-2005, 01:07 AM

for some people, its possible that the production technology is dictating the composition.

for example-
FruityLoops seems designed to make techno sound like, ummm loops. Unless you really try to sound more composed.

My preference is Cubasis VST4 because its stripped down so far that i can fly thru compositions with a minimum of looping.

**detfella** · 04-01-2005, 01:15 AM

imo everything has its own place. at da club, i love to see a good dj wreck the place with loopy records and crazy dj skills (altho i dont see too many people doing this - sims springs to mind) as well a dj standing there taking 3 mins to cue the next track knowing that if he mixed it in b4 then it would crash like a rolling stone.

for some people, its possible that the production technology is dictating the composition.

agree with this, but not your fruity comment (i dont use it, but i dont think it matters what seq software u use, so long as u abuse it)[/quote]

**ncw** · 04-01-2005, 09:13 AM

Don't agree with the software/technology thing at all. Its all a matter of inspiration and imagination. Marco Carola reportedly has a state of the art high end recording studio, and he cranks out the loopy bangers.

But to clarify with you lot, how do you determine "looped techno"? doesn't most of techno's power lie in repetition? Give me some clarification and some examples.

**Jimfish** · 04-01-2005, 10:07 AM

I think they mean pretty much where its the same loop for 5 mins with only a few wee hat changes etc.. of course the main groove of a record has to loop it but there is plenty of stuff that can vary within and around that

**Rydel** · 04-01-2005, 11:09 AM

I'm actually looking for DJtools sometimes... They aren't a main part of my sets, but sometimes it's just nice to be able to vary quickly by adding a loop here and there to two already banging tracks (in a 3 or more deck setup)

IMHO it should only be as an add-on to your set and not be used too much, altho it would be quite impressive to do a 2hr set with just DJ-tools, and still keep it interresting

**Ritzi Lee** · 04-01-2005, 11:42 AM

Welcome on BOA Rydel. ;)

**AcidTrash** · 04-01-2005, 02:38 PM

DJ Tools are killing the scene. :lol: :lol:

**dan the acid man** · 04-01-2005, 02:45 PM

the only dj tools i own are some locked grooves on the b sides of some recordsk.

I much prefer listening to something as steve said, that a musician has made, something that evolves a little over the course of the record

**Rydel** · 04-01-2005, 02:48 PM

Originally Posted by Ritzi Lee

Welcome on BOA Rydel. ;)

Thanx, m8..

Ontopic: Still I think it depends on how you make use of them, if you just play lot's of locked grooves that all have the same speed, then any1 can DJ... BUT it takes a good DJ to do something interresting with a 6 minute long loop

**Joseph Isaac** · 04-01-2005, 04:42 PM

Originally Posted by Internal Error Records

FruityLoops seems designed to make techno sound like, ummm loops. Unless you really try to sound more composed.

I agree about using it to make loops, but listen to anything by Ian Lehman...composed solely from Fruity Loops and his music definitely is not loopy...

**tioneb** · 04-01-2005, 04:49 PM

loop techno doesnt kill techno !

i actually think its not an easy kindof techno to produce. Sure melodic techno & non pattenrish sequencing (that exists !) sound harder to produce at first sight.

But the "good" loop techno is hard to do. The good loops techno consists in making the track sound loopy, ie easy to mix in 3 sec for the technically gifted, but making the track having a constant unperciptible variation.

Some good examples of that are Jeff Mills, Basic Channel, constantly playing with delays, decays and reverb and that make their sounds behind the drums live, without any patternish attitude, nad become obssessive. And the tracks can stay for long and not sound boring. In another kinf, the likes Surgeon, using industrial sounds constantly moving behing some basic drum programming are also taleented to make the good loopy tracks.

Oh the other hand there are producers thiking that take three loops from some old drum track, add a few home made (or sample cd made) drum pattern layered and overcompressed make the trick. Then the sequencing is all about adding / removing some of this loop during 5 or 6 minutes. EH !! Thats this kindof fake music taht kills techno, becasue it sounds cheap, repetitive, and useless. But dont messup this music with loop techno. They sound similar but dont desserve the same respect.

**Zektor** · 04-01-2005, 04:51 PM

WHAT IS looptechno?

WHAT IS dj tools?

When people are saying that looptechno kills techno...they've insulted Robert Hood, Jeff Mills and Maurizio's productions, in a BIG WAY.

**audioinjection** · 04-01-2005, 07:22 PM

dj tools are a great thing i think, but too much of it gets annoying, unless you're on 3+ decks and tearing shit up like crazy

i prefer more of the musical techno, with nice synth/basslines/chords, etc....

but for me, all techno is great, i dont discriminate

**MangaFish** · 04-01-2005, 08:53 PM

acappella are DJ tools, theres mellodies with little percussion or bassline which can be consieved as DJ tools. i've heard all of these used effectively to layer an otherwise 1 dimentional track live.

its not the tools that are 'killing' techno, its the lack of imagination behind the people who use the tools.

its the DJs job to weed out the interesting tracks from the naff or monotonous records and to play them in an interesting way. if people are complaining that the music being released is substandard, then they should stop buying it and DJs should stop playing them.

**LOCKED** · 04-01-2005, 09:04 PM

Techno is FAR from being killed, its very much alive !

I wish people would stop saying negative shit like this ! you are either going to the wrong place to hear it or buying the wrong records!

I hear "loopy" tunes in clubs and on vinyl that make the hairs on my neck stand on end, new and old !

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