Is DJ Promo that bad?

[Bacchus]

I saw this video of DJ Promo @ Sensation Black

mms://83.149.66.2/Promo1-cqx


This guy does'nt even seem to mix the records. He fades out one record into the breakdown of another. Really now, whatsup with that?


World Class DJ???


Or was it just a bad night for him?

[ScuL]

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That's the best set I've ever heard from him..

btw I'm sure you knew but he spins hardcore, not hardstyle..

[ScuL]

oh btw, you gotta know that beatmatching is severly difficult with hardcore vinyls cause the BPM's range from 150 to 200 .. hehe

[Bacchus]

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That's the best set I've ever heard from him..

btw I'm sure you knew but he spins hardcore, not hardstyle..

yes, i know... but it's a very slow set, and some tracks i even play in a hardstyle set.

Yeah, hardcore records vary. But, that's when you need to learn what records you can play at one point. When ever single mix is just a cross fade over, it's a tad dissapointing to see.

[Mirsha]

I'd disagree and say it's easier, I've certainly found that it's much easier for me to mix the fast schranz stuff accuraetly than the stuff in my crate when I'm using my mates records. My reasoning for this as someone who doesn't have beatmatching fully down yet because the records are playing faster mistakes in the tighter end of locking them down happen much faster so they become noticeable and you fiddle your slider to get them back in which leads to an overall solider mix.

Also in my experience most schranz tracks have a much solider sounding beat which helps me distringuish them in the ears, with someo of the tracks I mix you sometime lose the beat and have to fall back on listening to the highs.

[DJTrubass]

all i know of promo is that hes a highly respected dj abroad, not heard much from him but i wouldent say hes playing at sensation if all he can do is fade tunes

[K Front]

You should look at lunas set at sensation, oh dear!

Promo is a wicked dj. I havnt seen this video all the way through but i know he wouldnt just chop over a track without beat maching it for a reason. I play the same sort of gabba he does, slow and trancey and i know that most of it is very hard to piece together. But i think promo does it very well.

[K Front]

Best set ive ever heard was from promo an producer brb. Amazing stuff..

[Yoshimitsu]

oh btw, you gotta know that beatmatching is severly difficult with hardcore vinyls cause the BPM's range from 150 to 200 .. hehe

Why does that make a difference?

[ScuL]

because if you start off with a song at 150 BPM and the next one you throw in is 190BPM you have to pitch it down on -20% or somewhat to make an equal beatmatch.

Sometimes the differences are TOO big to do actual beatmatching and the only way of making a smooth mix to the next record is by fading in and out

You will never have these problems with hardstyle where the BPM will always be somewhere between 137.5 and 150.

[Winds]

If you cant match the beats because the song wont go slow enough. Then maybe it isnt supposed to be played that slow dude? Personally, I think its bad DJ'ing, if someone fades from one track to another without beatmatching. Just IMO though. :)

[Bacchus]

If you cant match the beats because the song wont go slow enough. Then maybe it isnt supposed to be played that slow dude? Personally, I think its bad DJ'ing, if someone fades from one track to another without beatmatching. Just IMO though. :)

exactly my point.

Don't play a 190bpm track with a 150bpm track. Play a 160, and pitch it down, and build up to that speed.


I used to play much more hardcore, with hardstyle. And this set is no excuse. There's not ONE mix.


Promo is respected because of his records. He's respected because he's one of the top producers in the world. This video just proves how horrible of a DJ he actually is...and How much people will pay just for a name.

[K Front]

maybe it isnt supposed to be played that slow dude? Personally, I think its bad DJ'ing, if someone fades from one track to another without beatmatching. Just IMO though. :)

Why is a track supposed to be played at a certain spead? my pitch sliders are all over the place when i mix. Gabba tracks are all over the place, some the same speed as hardstyle some nearer to speedcore. Play them however you want, theres no rules. Its not bad djing, if anything its good djing.

But i do agree the beats should be matched to get an even flow. Unless the mix is done well.

[DJTrubass]

Gabber can often be very hard to mix, if there is a 50bpm difference then that dosent mean the tune isnt ment to be played as it could be a perfect tune to progress a set..

[K Front]

Don't play a 190bpm track with a 150bpm track. Play a 160, and pitch it down, and build up to that speed.

Why?

Promo is respected because of his records. He's respected because he's one of the top producers in the world. This video just proves how horrible of a DJ he actually is...and How much people will pay just for a name.

I wish i could see this video but i cant on this pc. But the mixes ive heard from him before have been top notch. I would definatly pay to see promo probably more than any other dj, his tracks are amazing in my opinion and with his sets i know i will always here tracks ive never heard and probably will never hear again.

[Winds]

Didnt mean it like that. What I meant was, if you cant adjust the pitch fader enough to get the beats matched because the tracks are out of range, so you just fade them across instead. Thats what I think bad dj'ing is. Going from 150 to 190, in 1 track just seemed like a hell of a difference. Without building to it, if you know what I mean?

[K Front]

Sorry baccus, i miss read your post, i didnt mean to say 'Why?' to that. I agree 190 bpm into a 150 bpm track is abit extreme. I thought you ment a 190 bpm track pitched down to 150 bpm. :P

[DJTrubass]

tbh tho, ive heard many a north tape when djs have made complete mumbles of there mixeds and the beats are all over the place and they can some times basically just cut one track out, thing is when u hear gabber being played you tend to forget about ur usual 4/4 make ur mixes perfect and bend the rules, the type of people into it dont seemed ass bothered anyways as long as the djs drops some phatt tunes and has a generally good set who cares

[K Front]

Didnt mean it like that. What I meant was, if you cant adjust the pitch fader enough to get the beats matched because the tracks are out of range, so you just fade them across instead. Thats what I think bad dj'ing is. Going from 150 to 190, in 1 track just seemed like a hell of a difference. Without building to it, if you know what I mean?

I agree with that mate, if the they just faded it out because they couldnt get the pitch right and not planned it at all then that is bad.

[ADDI]

bachus how many sets have you heard of dj promo's??


I personally love promo's sets! but its each to their own though! and im curious to see if this statement has came from listening to more than one set or from over a period of time.