Prove My Point

**professor** · 14-01-2005, 03:04 PM

haven't we been over this issue? seems to me this is the same tired conversation that's been had many times already.

I thought the thread was about how easy it is to generate generic beats and make money...so long as you already have a name...and distribution.

**dirty_bass** · 14-01-2005, 03:06 PM

It`s all part of the point though.

**professor** · 14-01-2005, 03:15 PM

best thing to do is make the music you like, and that you feel at the moment. AND at the same time push yourself to break whatever mold you create for yourself (seems like this can be a simple as limiting or changing production methods from track to track...write the melody first...only use one synth for the whole shibang). If you keep coming up with tires ass disco loops and only changing the off beat sample...then I got noth'n for ya...

**professor** · 14-01-2005, 03:15 PM

"tired ass"

oldbugger · 14-01-2005, 06:10 PM

you say "its all about the future" etc

how the **** can that happen? surely if your making techno its a style that has been tried and tested..ok you can have new sounds and stuff but jeesus theres nothing new about techno anymore.

if you really believe in the future go invent some new style if it pisses you off so much.

joey still makes quality records but wouldnt it be better to just say its not you thing. he's a legend and still knows what makes me feel good after all this time.

respect to Mr Beltram is well and truely deserved.

**Evil G** · 14-01-2005, 07:03 PM

i don't know man. i'm not usually one to judge others, but i downloaded a mix of beltram's recently and the mixing was absolutely terrible. decent tracks, but trainwreck after trainwreck. i don't know if it was maybe some wanker passing himself off as beltram, or he was drunk, or what. how to you forget how to mix after doing it for so many years?

listening to this cheezy disco loop makes me think he's given up the spirit and is resting on his laurels.

oldbugger · 14-01-2005, 07:22 PM

yeah i have heard some awful dj sets from him too.
but i wasnt talking about that. purely his music

**primevil** · 15-01-2005, 12:54 AM

cant say i'm a fan of much of his new stuff, coz it is kinda samey. but hands down, a tune is a tune, the his remix of player 8 was and still is amazing! pure energy and rocks it everytime!

**romelpotter** · 15-01-2005, 11:11 AM

Originally Posted by oldbugger

yeah i have heard some awful dj sets from him too.
but i wasnt talking about that. purely his music

yea but i have herd some amazing sets from him. 1997.. vodoo @ clear..****in blew me away..not litrally though :dontevengothere: :lol: :lol:

Yea his new sound has prob been done to death but there are some great tracks on the rising sun, and there is no getting over what he has done in the past. people foget Joe t vannelli play with the voice in the usa remix. if you listen to the orig, what he did to that is amazing. what about a bit of dominator anyone !!!

Mills, beltram, to a point cox.. all the pioneers of techno/old hardcore have change styles, moved on in some way. Could you pump out the same stuff for 15 years and not feel slightly rutted.

music is about freedom, freedom to do what you want. if you don't like it, dont buy it. if you do..then do buy it. crack open the 19 inch bells..don the largest medallion you can find and its night fevour all the way home :lol: :lol:

**neko** · 15-01-2005, 12:16 PM

Originally Posted by romelpotter

music is about freedom, freedom to do what you want. if you don't like it, dont buy it. if you do..then do buy it.

spot on that romelpotter :clap:

way too many chinstrokers sat moaning about music they don't like these days :roll:

**Joseph Isaac** · 15-01-2005, 05:18 PM

Originally Posted by dirty_bass

I mean, Carl Lewis isn`t still trying to run in the olympics right?
And we all know the rolling stones aren`t what they were. A bunch of animated corpses playing songs they`ve played so many times, they can do it whilst having a triple bi-pass. Oh the excitement.

Is techno any different? Just cos beltram was a founder, doesn`t mean he can`t be crap now.

Excellent point, DB.

oldbugger · 15-01-2005, 05:37 PM

not at all....

carl lewis is not competitive enough to still compete with athletes his own age.

joey beltram still pisses all over many younger competitors. theres a world of difference.

age is not really an issue when it comes to producing or dj'ing at all. infact its probarbly an advantage IMO

where as carl lewis is ****ed in his profession.. simple

**dirty_bass** · 15-01-2005, 06:07 PM

An old dog with no new tricks?
Shouldn`t he have moved on by now?
Something a bit more complex, I dunno, just a progression of some kind?
Doing basically the same thing for his whole musical career, you might as well be a company man, pen, corner office, pension and
All these old tools in the tool shed are seeming alittle blunt to me.
I mean, no wonder the kids aren`t getting into dance music any more. It`s still full of oldies banging on about the early warehouse days and playing old "classics" that were out before they were born. How can they relate to that?
Beltram to, me, is the oakenfold of techno.
Had enough now thanks. Get that man a tie for christmas.

**The Divide** · 15-01-2005, 06:10 PM

Ballpark and Forklift had a huge influence on me in my younger days

On the subject of change – for me I wish there were more people writing techno like those tracks now (forklift, Bpark). Sound design using synths always sound futuristic whilst un-manipulated drums samples and loops sound outdated.

Im happy to see a revival of anything providing its done right and has its own personality. That’s something I don’t hear in these two tracks however.

But then I am not a huge fan of the funky sound so I am a bit biased.

**The Overfiend** · 15-01-2005, 06:31 PM

Forklift is one of the illest tracks out there period!
Hence the disappointment.....

**The Divide** · 15-01-2005, 06:32 PM

Originally Posted by dirty_bass

It`s still full of oldies banging on about the early warehouse days and playing old "classics" that were out before they were born. How can they relate to that?
Beltram to, me, is the oakenfold of techno.

Oldies banging on about this and that not been good enough, that sound is crap. This is the death of techno, thats bringing techno down isnt exactly doing any good tho is it? You old victor meldrew :lol:

What ever happened to live and let live, its not as if Beltrams new sound is flooding us out.

Old classics get cained and caned again in the commercial market, look at the beatles, elvis and the likes all the rest of the crap thats polluting the airwaves. Kids seem to think they can relate that that shit

One of the things I loved about the underground was how it raised its middle finger to all things commercial. That united on that front with or without drugs. Yet all we seem to do these days is look for excuses to hunt each other down instead of doing the things we believe to be the way forward.

Not aimed at you as such just adding my thoughts on this me old victor

:lol:

**Mindful** · 15-01-2005, 06:34 PM

Waffle coming up

Not sure about this topic JB is a class producer done loads of great stuff on Tresor and I like the disco sound hes been doing...Its my guess that he likes doing this sort of stuff and its down to him as an artist to freely make whatever he wants surley....If you dont like it dont buy it and dont let it affect you.
BUT........
My preference tends to be the more future thinking Techno..Thats what I look for when making and buying music And to me Its a shame that JB has decided to stick with this sound for so long cause to be honest he does just keep redoing the same thing.
As I say Its a shame because I would like to see him aplying himself to something fresh as he is a class Techno producer.

P.S.I have not heard the clips yet as Im watcing E.T.

**dirty_bass** · 15-01-2005, 11:12 PM

I DON`T BELIEEEEEEEEEVE IT!!!!!!!!

**The Divide** · 16-01-2005, 11:02 AM

:lol:

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