predefined loops or writing your own music?

[Ritzi Lee]

If you're making your tracks,
do you only use predefined loops for rhythms, and other sounds,
or just use your own sounds and write all paterns on the scratch.
Or a combination?


And why do you like it that way?

[Ritzi Lee]

For myself it's a combi.
But i like to avoid as much pre-loops as possible.
And sometimes it's just for some funny effects.

[fresh_an_funky_design]

definetlr writing your own shit. I only use loops if i want a fuller tune. Just have them in the background really fattens up and empahsises your tune


if you use predominately use loops its not really your tune, your just remixing.

[RDR]

whatever works. im not going to limit myself. If it moves ya then it works.

[dirty_bass]

Yeah, I prefer to use all my own shit. But sometimes you can glean something original from a loop if you cut it and reaarange it or warp it etc.

[maily]

i mostly write my own patterns, but if i use a loops it'll be one i've discovered myself,
never used a sample cd and don't intend to.

[j_s]

i tend to use loops if i want a 'real' feel to a part. like a bongo pattern, breakbeat or something that i can chop up. i find one shot samples can sound really un-natural when trying to program fluent lines.

as i see it, using loops imaginatively is no less creative than using samples. as long as it's you, not the loops that shape the track, it's all good....

[Ritzi Lee]

I also like to see some reactions from the people who only use loops..
there are lot of FL fanatics over here.

[schlongfingers]

I also like to see some reactions from the people who only use loops..
there are lot of FL fanatics over here.

How is that relevant?

I use fruity and very rarely do i use loops.

[Ritzi Lee]

I also like to see some reactions from the people who only use loops..
there are lot of FL fanatics over here.

How is that relevant?

I use fruity and very rarely do i use loops.

ins't that what it's used for??

[mrbenn]

I dont use fruity but I think its more for creating your own loops as opposed to using pre made ones

[dan the acid man]

i use a combination, but i usually change the premade loops around

[fatcollective]

i dont agree with people who completely use loops to produce there music, because thats bollox, its not producing ... its cheating.

i think its ok to to chop bits up and use the odd perc loop and add that to your own sounds. but to use ready made loops to make muisc is bollox.

[loopdon]

i do agree, yet i have the ever growing impression, that loads of 'modern' techno often does not consist of not much more than a rumbling sub and say 1-5 perc loops on top of it. whilst looking through sample cds like akai no kick/ techno trance essentials and so on, i am constantly finding loops i have heard before, often enough with not much done to them.

i can name several examples, from umek to liebing to sims, say the entire drum-loop liebing used for his 'tiga - sunglasses at night remix' can be found on the techno trance essentials cd, i couldn't believe it when i first heard it. and guess why umek's 'voices of africa'-series is named that way

i'd say lots of pros don't have that high moral standards

at the moment i am using quite a lot of loops (u know, experimenting) and i find it very simple to create loops that sound very 'recordish' in very little time. but that isn't saying i am using them the way them pros are, i tend to try and change them at least a little, u know.

i suppose it's the use of loops to a certain extent that helped create for example that 'swedish sound' or loads of schranz stuff.

have a listen to some of the cds i listed and come to your own conclusions.

my 2 cents

[Craig McW]

To date I have only ever programed my own stuff. Simply because I feel I would be cheating myself to use loops. I want to create the best sound that I can on my own.

But in the future, who knows? maybe I'll find a way to use loops that doesn't conflict with my conscience.... until that day, programming all the way baby.

[schlongfingers]

I also like to see some reactions from the people who only use loops..
there are lot of FL fanatics over here.

How is that relevant?

I use fruity and very rarely do i use loops.

ins't that what it's used for??

:D no!!!!!!

Of course you can use it for that, if you're so inclined, but only in the same way you can use loops with Cubase / Logic / Reason etc etc

Have a look at the help file, gives you a bit more of an idea of what the program is about - http://www.flstudio.com/help/

[loopdon]

i would have thought acid was the techno world's 'musik maker' when using loops, not good ol' frooty.

you should defintely have a look at it, you might have been missing something. fruity has become a verrry nice tool to work with alltogether. :love:

[mrbenn]

I :love: Acid, even better is making tunes on acid whilst on acid.

Seriously though acid is a great tool for manipulating loops, I often create parts in Cubase or Reason then export them as loops into Acid to sequence them & add effects etc

[Mattias Fridell (emb)]

I also use the combo between my samples from the scratch & loops, the thing is i always use loops i´ve done myself.

It´s pretty rare that i find a good loop on a samplecd, but when i do i can slice it down to pieces and use the sounds.

[neilried]

Sometimes I use a combination fruity loops and reason to audition a loop of a groove or fill that Im loving and layer additional sounds over it till I have something of my own, remove the original loop and tweak to fill the gap it leaves.

Sometimes I get a bunch of loops of records and layer those up in Acid dividing them up into drum/bass and top/percussion groups and use subtractive EQing throughout and render them down so your left with 2 new "loops" one hats and percussion the other drums and rthym, then add midi track into a VSTi for B/line and plaster FX all over it.

Sometimes I do the same with all the loops from my aborted projects so Im creating something new out of my own loops then spend days using all the tips n techniques Ive read about on BAO trying to create my own super slick dark n chunky techno monster.

I dont think its cheating to use loops, its part of the learning curve but can understand why when people who sucessfully create their own stuff that sounds awesome get pissed off with people who call them selves producers by arranging other peoples loops. But as has been said its done by load of high profile producers. One of the sound banks I have at home has loads of loops found in cave records...

Hats off to those can do it on their own I think thast probably everybodies aspiration with this, I know its mine and will get there eventually but for the interim period I still wanna make tunes... :lol:


...Most of the time I think f**kit and experiment with velocity, attack etc by beating the cat with a cheese grater, you can get some nice squelchy fx that way, I like the stabbing sound the nutmeg grinder preset makes personally...