i do agree, yet i have the ever growing impression, that loads of 'modern' techno often does not consist of not much more than a rumbling sub and say 1-5 perc loops on top of it. whilst looking through sample cds like akai no kick/ techno trance essentials and so on, i am constantly finding loops i have heard before, often enough with not much done to them.

i can name several examples, from umek to liebing to sims, say the entire drum-loop liebing used for his 'tiga - sunglasses at night remix' can be found on the techno trance essentials cd, i couldn't believe it when i first heard it. and guess why umek's 'voices of africa'-series is named that way

i'd say lots of pros don't have that high moral standards

at the moment i am using quite a lot of loops (u know, experimenting) and i find it very simple to create loops that sound very 'recordish' in very little time. but that isn't saying i am using them the way them pros are, i tend to try and change them at least a little, u know.

i suppose it's the use of loops to a certain extent that helped create for example that 'swedish sound' or loads of schranz stuff.

have a listen to some of the cds i listed and come to your own conclusions.

my 2 cents