Sometimes I use a combination fruity loops and reason to audition a loop of a groove or fill that Im loving and layer additional sounds over it till I have something of my own, remove the original loop and tweak to fill the gap it leaves.

Sometimes I get a bunch of loops of records and layer those up in Acid dividing them up into drum/bass and top/percussion groups and use subtractive EQing throughout and render them down so your left with 2 new "loops" one hats and percussion the other drums and rthym, then add midi track into a VSTi for B/line and plaster FX all over it.

Sometimes I do the same with all the loops from my aborted projects so Im creating something new out of my own loops then spend days using all the tips n techniques Ive read about on BAO trying to create my own super slick dark n chunky techno monster.

I dont think its cheating to use loops, its part of the learning curve but can understand why when people who sucessfully create their own stuff that sounds awesome get pissed off with people who call them selves producers by arranging other peoples loops. But as has been said its done by load of high profile producers. One of the sound banks I have at home has loads of loops found in cave records...

Hats off to those can do it on their own I think thast probably everybodies aspiration with this, I know its mine and will get there eventually but for the interim period I still wanna make tunes... :lol:


...Most of the time I think f**kit and experiment with velocity, attack etc by beating the cat with a cheese grater, you can get some nice squelchy fx that way, I like the stabbing sound the nutmeg grinder preset makes personally...