i've gotta say im sick of hearing some producer who's wacked a load of loops together, added a bit of effect and what have you then releases it. Its this sorta shit that will be the downfall of us.

It needs producers who are prepared to put the time and effort into a tune, by creating the own sounds and patterns. For example Jim Fish's tune on Humanoid 5. You can tell that he has put some serious time and effort into that tune, also Dirty bass and Dave the Drummers productions show the same sorta thing. I could list a hell of a lot more producers.. but im not gonna!

Basically loops are cool to learn with.. but dont release a tune made out of loops. If your truly good enough to release a record then your good enough to make the tune your own.