djing or lack of???

[loopdon]

here 2 examples froma recent set i played @ jakN,edinburgh(dec)


1. This example shows jugglin with a beat stutter fx b4 the kicks com in, just to tease the crowd a couple of bars

2.This one shows some cutting over hardtek and the transition(sample trigger fx) from techno to hardtek........some flaring and chirps going on....still no wher near the level i want within techno.

i shall post some more examples to strenghing my points.....

not listened yet, but know exactly what you're on about, m8.

taking it to anew level, hehe

but you have to take care you don't overdo it (dmc-style), i once saw a dj here with a hiphop background scratching over tech and it was kool. not only basic scratches there, it can be done.

[Stuart]

At the end of the day Dj'ing is about being able to keep a dance floor moving and pleasing the crowd. However you choose to do it, that should always be your key focus.

[jon connor]

At the end of the day Dj'ing is about being able to keep a dance floor moving and pleasing the crowd. However you choose to do it, that should always be your key focus.

yea agreed its how to spot a pro......

i like a more animal aproach with techno rather than just plain blending jeff mills was a big influence to me at a young age ..i like to see the jock getting down to bisiness mark eg is a classic...a nightmare to play b2b with or come on the decks after him as the whole dj box is absolute carnage . :lol: but hay individuality always works....fair play to ya grumpy good post this good luck to ya man... ;)

[jon connor]

just thinking will have to start making up names for tricks or somthing hahahahahah!! like snow boarders do only make them interesting like instead of a back tail flip more of a backtail curly wipp! :lol: also known as the free party spinback :lol: i duno i leave it with ya just thought ad a bit of fun to this post.......new tricks need new names :lol:

[gumpy green]

just thinking will have to start making up names for tricks or somthing hahahahahah!! like snow boarders do only make them interesting like instead of a back tail flip more of a backtail curly wipp! :lol: also known as the free party spinback :lol: i duno i leave it with ya just thought ad a bit of fun to this post.......new tricks need new names :lol:

yup defo....im planning on knocking up a dj technique guide so ill make up names ;)

ther are names for skratches if anybody wants to learn what they are and hopefully put into practice check these-

http://www.asisphonics.net/skratchtutorial.html

take you from babys right through to complex shit like delayed flares---cutting 3/4 over a 4/4 beat....and hyperdrummin......learn em if you wish..... thers good audio to accompiny it too.....

all courtisy of the unknown skracther -aliasosity....what a talented skratcher he is.....adn hes unknown....nobody knows who he is....

[gumpy green]

readin that should show you that skratching aint got limits and has loads of room for innovation...

as a main part of the techno scence (djing) i think we are sleeping on this artform within our own scene.... were pushing production and live pa along nicely, infact very well......but sleepin on djing...IMO

turntablism is not always skratching......anything that requires musical co-ordination.......... so its more "musical" really than techno ;) ...its humans manually doing things "musically" not programming.

[serox]

an offshoot of another thread.

gumpy green wrote:
why the fuk do techno djs dont look at hiphop/turntablists to enhance thers???

fitipaldi
You obviously don't listen to that much techno then mate, have a listen to the space djs for a start.

space djs- like ive never heard them, ive even saw Jamie Bissmire live but never together and ther was nothing remotely turntablim in his set. Maybe it is you who hasent listened to enuf hiphop djs, that was my orig point. Thers not enuf techno djs studied other forms of djing and taking it to the next level, like we should, as were all forward thinkers, right?. If you think the space djz are anything near as skilled as the allies/isp/beat junkies then you need to study.

Whats other folks view on this.......leave hiphop skilz alone.....or try and encoperate them into our world?

i personally am one of the very few who choose to study the skracth etc and im getting bored with staight forward beatmatching styles...same old same old....

leave the scratching and tricks to hip-hop. techno for me is all about seemless mixing, with records i like to hear.

[gumpy green]

so techno has reached its limits on the artform of djing.....NO CHANCE

Its can be seemless with very high artistict qualitys......

So you cant enhance tracks or make them just a bit differnet by applying skill on the tables...????? think youz folk with this attitude should just press play let the track play hit stop and the same with the next....and then again.....you aint got NO VISION of the future.......

I honestly think just becuase you havent saw it done youz are against it so nobody is gonna do it....the vicious cirlce......

I will change enuf folks minds one day to make this sub section of techno much more valuable.

serox check the juggle examples....dont you think that style could be pushed so far???

[gumpy green]

this dude came to our night and experienced it first hand....im actually pleased that someone from the crowd could pick up so much, thers alot who just dont care about nuthin other than getting fuked on drugs.....

anwyas its a rough traslation using a web translator-

"
Of ahi we went with Joha to Jak-N, one night of hard techno well underground in The Venue, and I surpass all our expectations. Sekonz, dj of 20 anios bright scratcheando itself on techno hardly very dark. But its tecnica was not insistent, nor obvious like in much of hip hop. Towards opportunely, and in a while it did it with two copies of the same vinyl, scratcheando with one on the other, stopping the disc and released first, to scratchear with the second without the transition noticed. A monster. Despues followed Fuk Nut, not as much full tecnica but the track, and 6tmA, with drum ' n bass with base hardcore and hard techno with very interesting adjustments, hardly perceivable frequencies and very good adjustments. "

taken from http://trauma-informs.blogspot.com/2...s_archive.html

The spanish know whats up.....im a monster....lol, like that one...

[jon connor]

check out luke mcmillan a.k.a the dj producer . hes the man for this kinda stuff! probably 1 of the best turntableists in the country for techno + hardcore . although its rare you catch him doing much techno sets these days.

[serox]

sorry gumpy, i like records that need no improvment:) i cannot stand hearing som1 pushing every button on the mixer or scratching a record that sounds 10x better b4 he started to fu k around. each to there own tho, some kids like it.

[gumpy green]

suppose each to ther own.......

brings me to think - so why even bother mixin....why do folk wanna use 3 decks if all they wanna do is hear the music on its own.....

we could just make complimation cds and stick them on at nights.

im havin trouble understanding the limits some folk within techno are putting on the djing aspect of their scene...its been pretty stagnated for yrs.

i really do wonder why.

in hiphop they seem to care about all aspects of it and always try to improve shit......from braking to beatboxin... altho i think battles have ALOT to do with the skill level of the djs/turntablists...battles push the person to push themselves or basically theyll loose....hence the art form progrsses....maybe techno needs some battles, i dunno.......

[dirty_bass]

I don`t see why DJing in techno needs to progress. the music needs to progress, the DJ`s could do with playing a broader variety, but other than that, I don`t see a real need for progression.
The tricks impress no-one but other DJ`s
It`s like talking loads of crap about cars to people who know nothing about them, when all they want is a lift to the station.
Loop techno is dying, ask any record shop owner.
It`s this type of music, that is conducive to DJ tricks, cos it`s boring, does sod all, and is easy to mix.
Pure DJ tool.
Good music should be left alone.
I hate putting loads of effort into a tune, putting in loads of clever edits, reverses, stutters, flanges etc, and hearing some geezer farting about all over the top of it, it just makes you think why do I bother, I may as well make loop grooves"

A little bit of flare hear and there is fine, but really, it`s all about the music, and not about the DJ.

[gumpy green]

all aspects need to contantely progress IMO...or soon it becomes boring which is what is happening to me when i see most dj performances, not all ill add.

tricks arent ther to impress, collectively along with the records played theyr ART that is a mixtape or set/live performance...

its like saying a fast trigger of a sample like when speedy j is jammin is theryr to impres, its not....its ther to fuk with your head.....like his live bit on loudboxer for example......i dont think he did it to impress noone , but it does none the less, i luv that bit so much....proper headfukin jammin.....can be done on tables aswell.

and yes, if ther is a track that just sounds so good on it own id leave it well along....but alot of techno isnt, i think it need a wee bit flare.....

i can see our different stand points DB

Dj vrs Producer.

i think records are ther for me to fuk with(make my art)....you see djs as a medium to play your art how you intended.......whos right,, how can we both be and still be artists? ;)

[Stella Boy]

[quote="gumpy green"]and yes, if ther is a track that just sounds so good on it own id leave it well along....but alot of techno isnt, i think it need a wee bit flare.....quote]

There is hell of alot if techno around at the moment which is superb, stuff which still makes the hairs on my arms reach up so to say alot of techno isn't good enough to leave alone says to me you aint buying the right kinda techno.

[gumpy green]

ok then well just play your techno from start to finish, dont even mix then.....folk like me see it differnetly... i do see alot of my record as nuthing but tools, maybe thats why i buy em in the first place...so if thats the case i am buying the right techno for my art dont you think...... and it is the case mostely.

plus im more interested in getting others to help push it forward than talking about my sets...

[ds2]

grumpy,
first you complain there aren't any trax good enough to play all the way through. when questioned on what you buy/listen to you come back with "i buy and play tools"..."cos i'm a proper dj, like"

so like lady boy said, you're obviously listening to the wrong records.

[gumpy green]

..first off i said alot of techno , so that dont mean all.

then again i go onto saying

see alot of my record as nuthing but tools, maybe thats why i buy em in the first place...so if thats the case i am buying the right techno for my art dont you think...... and it is the case mostely

mostely, i said....as as artist (not a proper dj, if ther is such a thing) most of the stuff i buy is for my art.

stop hating on me for the sake of it..... im trying to bring a positve thing across....

[jon connor]

this girl can do sum tricks :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
can do sum nifty hand and finger work to. :love:

more naked girls playing techno please :love: :love: :love:

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[jon connor]

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