djing or lack of???

[gumpy green]

an offshoot of another thread.

gumpy green wrote:
why the fuk do techno djs dont look at hiphop/turntablists to enhance thers???

fitipaldi
You obviously don't listen to that much techno then mate, have a listen to the space djs for a start.

space djs- like ive never heard them, ive even saw Jamie Bissmire live but never together and ther was nothing remotely turntablim in his set. Maybe it is you who hasent listened to enuf hiphop djs, that was my orig point. Thers not enuf techno djs studied other forms of djing and taking it to the next level, like we should, as were all forward thinkers, right?. If you think the space djz are anything near as skilled as the allies/isp/beat junkies then you need to study.

Whats other folks view on this.......leave hiphop skilz alone.....or try and encoperate them into our world?

i personally am one of the very few who choose to study the skracth etc and im getting bored with staight forward beatmatching styles...same old same old....

[dirty_bass]

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[dirty_bass]

I just wanna hear good tunes, there`s too many effects and scratching and arsing about these days.
Mainly cos of all the loopypoop that`s getting released.

[soma]

i remember The Producer used to scratch it up in his sets with some real hard techno. As long as you don't go over board i think it can work quite well especially with the hard minimal techno he played- that is if you can do it.

[gumpy green]

what about getting a locked tone/bassline and playing a melody(by chaging the pitch) over a drum loop........

maybe even adding some delays to the drum loop to create and build your own breaks...(whilst playing the tone at the same time, obviosly).

it aint all skratching....ther 1million and 1 ways to flip techno.

[schlongfingers]

Incorporate anything and everything to make it ssound good :) yes when a DJ is experimental and still keeps the floor moving it's another level altogether - truth is that these DJs are few and far between!

[schlongfingers]

what about getting a locked tone/bassline and playing a melody(by chaging the pitch)

I often do that, even without locked tones, just keep it low in the mix and cut the bass and hi's, can sound really good :) Also flicking between 45 & 33 and snapping to exact pitches in rhythm with the beat - this works well cos mathematically, so long as you're flicking between the same pitch points and keeping to the same rhythm, the track WILL kick back in time ;)

[Stuart]

I just wanna hear good tunes, there`s too many effects and scratching and arsing about these days.
Mainly cos of all the loopypoop that`s getting released.

Too true, and clubbers can't dance to a dj scratching it up on a deck.
I also hate the DJM 600 being used in clubs. The Dj's can't resist to use some of its stupid effects. It should be about the mixing and the music. Not look at me see what I can do. Leave that to the DMC championship where people go to see that.
Yes its impressive but not for a dance floor.

[fitipaldi]

an offshoot of another thread.

gumpy green wrote:
why the fuk do techno djs dont look at hiphop/turntablists to enhance thers???

fitipaldi
You obviously don't listen to that much techno then mate, have a listen to the space djs for a start.

space djs- like ive never heard them, ive even saw Jamie Bissmire live but never together and ther was nothing remotely turntablim in his set. Maybe it is you who hasent listened to enuf hiphop djs, that was my orig point. Thers not enuf techno djs studied other forms of djing and taking it to the next level, like we should, as were all forward thinkers, right?. If you think the space djz are anything near as skilled as the allies/isp/beat junkies then you need to study.

Whats other folks view on this.......leave hiphop skilz alone.....or try and encoperate them into our world?

i personally am one of the very few who choose to study the skracth etc and im getting bored with staight forward beatmatching styles...same old same old....

how would he be scratchin in a live set, surly he doesn't have any records?

I see what you are saying although would you not say turntablism is an art in itself, not something you just spend years learning so you can throw it into a techno set everynow and again. Plus people often slate djs who go off on one with tricks for ages.

[gumpy green]

nice one schlongfingers...keep it up and infect everyone with the djing bug. ;)

been messin about with a locked tone and some beat stutter effects on the tone whilst havin an analogue hpf on the other channel...getting it quite sweet so far, i still gotta perfect it over the next couple of yrs tho.(check ma sig for a live version of this as my intro for a set, bad feeback welcomed)

[Rydel]

Hiphop skillz are quite impressive, but it's a totally different style of mixing... And altho many DJ's use some tricks in their sets, it's nowhere near the skill of hiphop DJ's, takes too much training & besides.. I think it would be quite annoying to have some idiot scratch all the time. People like DC and Jamie Bizzmire (however you spell it) scratch quite good, but if they'd do it all the time I'd go crazy...

[slavestudios]

use every tool at your disposal..

but for all the cleverness of scratch djs (and it is VERY clever) i aint never seen one hold 2 trax together for a full 2 min mix..

they can cut & scratch but cant blend the way a techno jock can.

but then, its a different application of a different skill.

i would love to be able to beat juggle lock grooves the way Krush of Q-bert can, but its never gonna happen lol

go for it man, if ppl dont dig it, f**k em

[Rydel]

I just wanna hear good tunes, there`s too many effects and scratching and arsing about these days.
Mainly cos of all the loopypoop that`s getting released.

Too true, and clubbers can't dance to a dj scratching it up on a deck.
I also hate the DJM 600 being used in clubs. The Dj's can't resist to use some of its stupid effects. It should be about the mixing and the music. Not look at me see what I can do. Leave that to the DMC championship where people go to see that.
Yes its impressive but not for a dance floor.

Good DJ's ofcourse distribute the level of scratches, FX etc. troughout their sets.... it doesn't have to be annoying (contradicting myself with the previous post) but yeah, it depends on the taste of the listener. I do tend to scratch sometimes, especially over breakdowns building up. Some people like it, other people think it destroys the effect of the record.

Same go for FX > I love sampling the break in the RAW R01 and **** up the vocal a lot while I take out the record already and kicking it back in when the "get fresh at the weekend" break starts coming back in, while scratching over it. Fits the dancefloor great, but think some DJ's would kill me if they had the chance ;)

[gumpy green]

yeh alot of folk seem to think that if you skratch over techno yer gonna do it for the whole set....bollocks......done well at the right time over the right beat, the crowd gets lifted, then you strat droppng the rolling beatz again and the party is DEFO lifetd for a bit.

about hiphop djs mixing......sure they dont do it as much but ive got tapes and some of the blending is really good....plus if ther mixin rap tracks the gotta be quick to mix the into with the outro(or lyrics will clash) so although they havent mixed for 2mins....they have to get that exact 30second spot on....can be tuff.

juggling locked grooves has so many posibliltes..... you have 4 counts on each record to arragne how you feel...maybe even start jugglin it on 3/4 sig....for 10-20 seconds then let it play...im sure the crowd would feel it and be lifted to the next level by it.....i for one would.....i go crazy when i see somein so creative getting flipped live.

[gumpy green]

I just wanna hear good tunes, there`s too many effects and scratching and arsing about these days.
Mainly cos of all the loopypoop that`s getting released.

Too true, and clubbers can't dance to a dj scratching it up on a deck.
I also hate the DJM 600 being used in clubs. The Dj's can't resist to use some of its stupid effects. It should be about the mixing and the music. Not look at me see what I can do. Leave that to the DMC championship where people go to see that.
Yes its impressive but not for a dance floor.

thats bad use of tricks...not the tricks themselves.......dont let yourselve slip into it cant be done mentality........then shit really STAGNATES.

[Rydel]

juggling locked grooves has so many posibliltes..... you have 4 counts on each record to arragne how you feel...maybe even start jugglin it on 3/4 sig....for 10-20 seconds then let it play...im sure the crowd would feel it and be lifted to the next level by it.....i for one would.....i go crazy when i see somein so creative getting flipped live.

True, I'd love to be able to do that.... :clap: But guess I'll need another 10 years of experience to get that a 100% right... And with techno you have to be more accurate then with hiphop, coz the music is faster so you hear mistakes faster & the crowd will stop dancing if you keep dropping the groove in out of sync

[gumpy green]

True, I'd love to be able to do that.... :clap: But guess I'll need another 10 years of experience to get that a 100% right... And with techno you have to be more accurate then with hiphop, coz the music is faster so you hear mistakes faster & the crowd will stop dancing if you keep dropping the groove in out of sync

practice and 'onest 'ard work will get you ther.....u think qbert hasent stood for hrs an hrs practicing the same record movement over and over till he could nail it....bit hard work is whats needed in any art form to progress it. No more practice and youll just stay at about the same level for ever...

and yeh ther would be no point in doing it if you were gonna drop the groove and spoil everything, that why you gotta practice till you CAN nail it, without even thinking about it......no point of trying summin you cant do and making a noise.

[TechMouse]

I've seen DJ Kentaro do scratch-techno by beat juggling & scratching with two Tortured records. That was quite impressive. His set kind of killed the atmosphere that had been built up though, because everyone stopped dancing and stood around to watch him.

[gumpy green]

I've seen DJ Kentaro do scratch-techno by beat juggling & scratching with two Tortured records. That was quite impressive. His set kind of killed the atmosphere that had been built up though, because everyone stopped dancing and stood around to watch him.

woudnt mind seeing this........any online links to it.?

what im saying tho is incoperate these skills into a flowing set that the crowd can dance to..

like a break in the track....not many flok are mooving much here but when it comes back in they are(and usually with more nrg)....apply that theory to yer tricks

[Rydel]

No more practice and youll just stay at about the same level for ever...

Ofcourse I practise ;) with a vengeance even! Till I beat Q-bert :roll:

I've seen DJ Kentaro do scratch-techno by beat juggling & scratching with two Tortured records. That was quite impressive. His set kind of killed the atmosphere that had been built up though, because everyone stopped dancing and stood around to watch him.

Must 've been really impressive then (or horribly wrong) Never seen it tho