djing or lack of???

[TechMouse]

woudnt mind seeing this........any online links to it.?

There's a 40 minute Kentaro mix in this radio show, but I don't know how Techno it is because I don't have RealPlayer.

His skills are, frankly, frightening.

[TechMouse]

There's some video here.

[Rydel]

Shame it's an old site :cry: But a DMC winner... always amazing to see in action.

[Stuart]

I just wanna hear good tunes, there`s too many effects and scratching and arsing about these days.
Mainly cos of all the loopypoop that`s getting released.

Too true, and clubbers can't dance to a dj scratching it up on a deck.
I also hate the DJM 600 being used in clubs. The Dj's can't resist to use some of its stupid effects. It should be about the mixing and the music. Not look at me see what I can do. Leave that to the DMC championship where people go to see that.
Yes its impressive but not for a dance floor.

thats bad use of tricks...not the tricks themselves.......dont let yourselve slip into it cant be done mentality........then shit really STAGNATES.

I know people that can scratch and do some great stuff with techno.

When it goes wrong it sounds awful and the Luke SLater cd is a great example of that.

[slavestudios]

well grumpy, like i said, different applications for different music i guess..

but i'll say this. when i wa resident at the Brunswick in belfast, they had a hip hop floor with the best hip hop jox in the world. and for all the cutting & jugglin & scratchin, Noize was the only dj who could actually 'mix' records.. everyone else, and i mean EVERYONE, jus scratched a phrase 7 threw it..

and so many hip hop djs look down on club/techno jox. they gotta get that attitude in check..

[ampassasinbirmingham]

grumpy: i think they meant ben long not bissmire, although ive never seen bissmire play, ben long on both the occasions ive sen him play is very tuntabltastic. lots of scratching, cuts, and general vinyl manipulation.

i hate this total debate. i like a blend of it all. i love a smooth purist mix. no hitches just a smooth set.

on the other hand i also love a dj to do tricks, not all night, but i love to see a dj work the crowd with tricks.

if its not done well, or to fequently tho it can go tits up.

but all in all i think a blend is best. if everyone mashed it up or did smooth mixes there would be no variety.

as grandma used to say "variety is the spice of life, now **** off and go get me haemeroid cream. my piles are feeling sore and your delicate fingers will do the trick!"

[koma]

I believe every dj should develop his own style that suits him best. if all would use the same technique, now that would be boring..

ex hiphop djs/b-boys are I guess best at turntablism.. I've seen some videos of Simon Underground cutting and scratching hardcore records, great performance..

[Mindful]

I believe every dj should develop his own style that suits him best. if all would use the same technique, now that would be boring..

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Incorparate whatever you can in to your sets as long as the music and flow comes first.

[BRADLEE]

I didn't read the inital post..sorry.

here is my two cents though...

If you're going to mix records, mix them. Don't just slam from track to track. If you mix techno as I do, mix it for a very long time. The longer the better for the transition. Usually atleast 1/3 of the record minimum...

[Evil G]

any type of djing is about making the right sound at the right time.

what sound that is will depend on the context of the other sounds you've already played. i think that "tricks" sound much better when properly setup. ie, set the stage, or foreshadow what you are going to do, build anticipation, then deliver the goods, give them a bit of time to appreciate what you just did, then move on to the next idea.

but trick after trick gets boring and takes away from the music.

[gumpy green]

good points folks.....im with yaz ..a good clean mix with the odd trick thrown in to highting the set......
and pete -

and so many hip hop djs look down on club/techno jox. they gotta get that attitude in check.

i suppose i can be a bit like that sometimes, not saying a dont appreciate the difference in styles, its just that just id like to see a bit more turntablism creeping into techno sets.... and sometimes i like to wind up non skratchers ;)

gotta be shovin the skratch down on tha board tho......gotta get at least one of yaz converted... ;)

[Rizage]

I didn't read the inital post..sorry.

here is my two cents though...

If you're going to mix records, mix them. Don't just slam from track to track. If you mix techno as I do, mix it for a very long time. The longer the better for the transition. Usually atleast 1/3 of the record minimum...

I think that depends on the track. Loopy tracks back to back can sound very long and drawn out if you don't mix them quickly. Some tracks are full and therefore sound better when blended w/ another track for a certain amount of time. In "my" opinion, it really depends on what mood you're trying to create, what picture you're painting, or where you're going in your set. Sometimes I'll play a very small part of a track just for a certain sound, pull it out, drop something else, then later on go back to that same track just to play it in it's entirety.

Flying through four or five tracks w/out playing the break, can build a peak in your set. Then when you play the right track with a wicked break, you get the crowd eatin' out of your hands for the rest of the night.

[MARKEG]

well i just hate scratching on techno. 99% of the time it just doesn't go (perhaps someone should create a form of techno where it DOES work ;)) i've never learnt how to scratch, even in the electro days in the 80's I just wasnt interested. personally, i love to watch a DMC video with someone scratching to hip hop or electro (HOW talented is it all eh??!!!!). i love hearing jamie and ben cuase they're different, i love producer doing his thing, but nothing (for me) beats a well mixed set, with personality... where the DJ is using EQ to its full extent to truly mix trax together and cutting the fader out at precisely the right moments. when i'm djing dont' see the need for 'tricks' but i do see the need for 'smooth mixing, plus you're own character, that is gonna be different than the next man'. so you could call that a trick in itself. your own personal trick :clap:

[jon connor]

well i just hate scratching on techno. 99% of the time it just doesn't go (perhaps someone should create a form of techno where it DOES work ;)) i've never learnt how to scratch, even in the electro days in the 80's I just wasnt interested. personally, i love to watch a DMC video with someone scratching to hip hop or electro (HOW talented is it all eh??!!!!). i love hearing jamie and ben cuase they're different, i love producer doing his thing, but nothing (for me) beats a well mixed set, with personality... where the DJ is using EQ to its full extent to truly mix trax together and cutting the fader out at precisely the right moments. when i'm djing dont' see the need for 'tricks' but i do see the need for 'smooth mixing, plus you're own character, that is gonna be different than the next man'. so you could call that a trick in itself. your own personal trick :clap:

jesus christ mark is that wot you call it character in ya sets :lol: your a mentalist it is a fact ;) fairplay to ya 100% every time ;)

as for jamie and ben kick ass and im still playing the last djz on earth cd i love it. guarantee its in the car on route to a venue pumps you up like a mutha fukka!

by the way ben and jamie if you see this post let us no if there are any more space djz cd complation coming.
or where i can download any recorded sets if possible cheers. :clap:

[ncw]

Just play good records. Don't have to f*ck about.

[ncw]

Its all about scratching minimal on the bass drum before a drop.
F*ck your wakka wakka wakka sh*te. Nobs.

[gumpy green]

Just play good records. Don't have to f*ck about.

thats the attitude of someone not interested in the art of djing......fair play if your not into djing but for me a bit turntablism in techno sets would work wonders in our scene and could only be a good thing.

[gumpy green]

Its all about scratching minimal on the bass drum before a drop.
F*ck your wakka wakka wakka sh*te. Nobs.

such a nice post.

i aint gonna call you a nob for not cutting........that attitude sucks but lets not get into a slaggin match.......you stay in the 80's, ill be the first to show yaz what im on about...... ;)

ill set the example.

[FuK-NuT]

DO IT, DO IT, DO IT.....

for me, good tricks/scratches executed properly make a set for me when out clubbing etc...the sets i used to listen to bak in the day where always from guys who totally went for it, just made it more interesting for me...tiz why i always go bennie for a good sekonzo set....not so many tricks etc in my own sets for the simple fact i dont have that many under me belt, but feel ive got this smoothness down so deffo wanna try and get into more technical stuff, find it hard to get into the whole practise one move for hours and not wanting to just "mix" for hours on end....

[jon connor]

right has anyone here ever seen a umek demonstration ? well i have in estern block records manchester a few year ago. im telling ya. 4 decks doing stuff you only dream of. he ripped the whole shop appart after a all night gig at the music box, cuts double scratch dropings and sum mad stuff with his hands with 4 decks that blew my head off! ( now thats techno turntablism.....also christian varelea another it seems there more of these kinda djs abroad mabey we just lazy bastards in this country and want it easy play sum records on 2 decks or ya lap top or ya cdj`s wot ever is least effort collect ya cash **** off! lazyness its called. ;)