A true pioneer?

[Patrick]

Hey Buttie, I'm curious. Why did you put Jeff Mills and Juan Atkins, Kevin Saunderson, Derrick May and the D gang as seperate choices ? To my mind they are all intrinsically linked to each other, taking it in turns to influence each other. For example, Mills influenced the Bellville Trio when he played as The Wizard on local radio. He was in turn influenced by their productions and took 'their' (or the Detroit) sound on to another level along with Mike Banks and UR etc. and, as Miro said, by introducing the minimalist element to the sound. :?:

[Buttman]

Hey Buttie, I'm curious. Why did you put Jeff Mills and Juan Atkins, Kevin Saunderson, Derrick May and the D gang as seperate choices ? To my mind they are all intrinsically linked to each other, taking it in turns to influence each other. For example, Mills influenced the Bellville Trio when he played as The Wizard on local radio. He was in turn influenced by their productions and took 'their' (or the Detroit) sound on to another level along with Mike Banks and UR etc. and, as Miro said, by introducing the minimalist element to the sound. :?:

Because Jeff is crazy. He even manufactured Axis sandals!

[Adverse]

haha haha now that is pioneering!

[MARKEG]

axis sandals!?!?! hahahahahhahaha

oh my god what a load of rubbish

i'm gonna make blackout audio vibrators to shove up his ass

[Patrick]

Ha ha. Can't argue with that logic. He gets my vote then !

[MARKEG]

why only these guys on the list?? there are so many people out there who have done just as much as all of these guys in there own little way but never get the props.

as far as i'm concerned there's plenty more people out there who've done just as much for techno as these lot. juan atkins applied the word techno to the music. that's pretty pioneering. but he's the same as anyone else out there who has their own slant on music and is trying to push their sound forward. he just came up with a catchy word, that's all. the press made techno into what it is.

jeff mills has his own pioneering slant on music. regis has his own pioneering slant on music. glenn wilson has his own slant pioneering on music. woody mcbride has his own pioneering slant on music. so does any other producer who manages to work for years and craft their own sound away from the norm. i could go on and on and on.

and so they are all pioneering in their own right. as far as pioneering the 'techno' genre goes, well that's just not possible because it's just such a huge genre. it mean so many different things to so many different ppl. no single person pioneered techno, that's for sure. it's different for different people. and it certainly wasn't all down to one of the above list.

techno is a combined force. there's no way i can cast a vote here.

[Buttman]

and so they are all pioneering in their own right. as far as pioneering the 'techno' genre goes, well that's just not possible because it's just such a huge genre. it mean so many different things to so many different ppl. no single person pioneered techno, that's for sure. it's different for different people. and it certainly wasn't all down to one of the above list.

techno is a combined force. there's no way i can cast a vote here.

That was what I wanted to hear =D

[BritishMurderBoy]

so why is it all still considered techno?

[TripleX]

axis sandals!?!?! hahahahahhahaha

oh my god what a load of rubbish

i'm gonna make blackout audio vibrators to shove up his ass

my dad could deliver the motors :lol:

[crime]

Subhead are always pushing it forward...

sideways backwards inward and outwards too.....

[gunjack]

dotcom is a pretty shitty label though...

[crime]

dotcom is a pretty shitty label though...

I dare you to say that to Phil's face, and let me watch from a safe distance... that would be pretty funny.....

[MARKEG]

welll i've always really liked subhead stuff. how come you think dot.com is so s**t then?

[miasma man]

I don't really know enough about some of those guys but I put the D gang etc. If I was more Techno educated I could make a better judgement I suppose.

Means I gotta sort it out!

I think Mike Oldfield and Jean Michel Jarre have done a lot for electronic music (Techno) and would submitted "someone else" but their stuff isn't really about today I suppose.

[Louk]

for techno cari lekebusch

**** knows why just i like his tunes and they influence me

and sound well different

also kay d smith for the habit of distorting a kick drum so loud it makes you want to eat granite

Louk

[crime]

I don't think you can pin it on any one person, and everyone has different point of view, depending on what kind of [Techno] music they're into... A producer who one person sees as an innovator can be seen by someone else to be holding things back...

I feel there's a lot of unknown people who are doing excellent stuff thats really pushing things forward, they just need the people to hear them..

[crime]

for techno cari lekebusch

**** knows why just i like his tunes and they influence me

and sound well different

To what? Call me a tired old cynic, (and no disrespect to Lekebusch) but a lot of the loop stuff sounds like exactly what labels like Reload were doing much better 7 years ago.. Early advent used to really rock on this kind of tip around that time too, and yet they don't seem to be doing anything that different these days ....It seems to me like there's a techno formulae, and anything that steps out of this isn't accepted by a lot of people into techno... Didn't Jeff Mills say "Techno is sounds you've never heard before?".. I hear a lot of djs and I'm afraid to say, a lot of the time I just hear the same sound, again and again..
anyway *rant over*

[Adverse]

i think these days you are right. the first 15 releases on hybrid i cannot dispute though.

[detfella]

karlheinz stockhausen

[miromiric.]

....It seems to me like there's a techno formulae, and anything that steps out of this isn't accepted by a lot of people into techno...
anyway *rant over*

ya man! :D