will vinyl survive..???

[conflict]

what with the advent of cd mixers and now final scratch,i'm new to this forum,maybe this has been discussed before,but i'd like to know what everyone else thinks.I personally think as long as there are clubs/dj's/technics then people will keep making/playing them....norrit!!

[jonnyspeed]

yes

[MangaFish]

too many people are too anal about vinyl for it too die.

[schlongfingers]

too many people are too anal about vinyl for it too die.

Agreed. Not anal without reason I don't think though, at the end of the day decks are the most tactile medium for a DJ bya long shot - final scratch is an excellent application because it enhances the decks rather than replaces them, but it is always subject to failure because it's based on processors. I can see it becoming a fixture in many clubs, BUT I think the DJ that relies on it and leaves their vinyl at home is taking a big risk!

[dirty_bass]

I would love to believe that vinyl will survive, but I don`t think it will.
The market has changed, CD and PC technology is good enough and tactile eough now. Vinyl is too expensive to produce, and really, to poor a medium to record on, in terms of frequency range, longevity etc.

[dirty_bass]

I also would like to add that a lot of people poo poo the end of vinyl because they are staid and inflexible in their ways.

In the filed of Techno, we need to embrace the oncoming technology and utilise it, it is all about progression after all.
How can we be forward thinking musically, and backward technologically?

[Evil G]

44/16 cds don't sound good enough to replace vinyl. 96/24 dvd audio might be good enough, but i haven't seen any pitch controllable dvd audio players yet, so i think it will be years yet before vinyl dies (if ever).

[Sunil]

I also would like to add that a lot of people poo poo the end of vinyl because they are staid and inflexible in their ways.

Maybe they just prefer playing vinyl more than they would fiddling with CDs or using a laptop.. I know I do.

[DJMAYA]

we are not technology yet!

i think that as long as we are human, some of us will want something tactile rather than a file.

[dirty_bass]

Don`t get me wrong, I`m not trying to provoke at all, I just think the more that we embrace new technology, the more demand there will be to improve it, and therefore our ability to produce wild and wonderful things will be expanded and enhanced. Rather than the 2 records playing at the same time (or wooohooo 3) that we have been stuck in for the last zillion years.

[mauronschillib]

omG!! can you see that PICTURE?????


batmans shaggin ROBIN : )

i play mp3s nowadasy

[Joseph Isaac]

Vinyl itself will live because of audiophiles. Vinyl DJs will die. 10 years.

[MangaFish]

as long as there are humans mixing, there will be irrational choices of medium.

ie i will always prefer vinyl over CD/MP3 purely because of the buzz i get then i buy new vinyl. the feeling i get when i put the needle on the track. etc

doesnt make vinyl any better or worse to DJ with. its all down to preference.

if you look at how clubs still use 1210s as standard yet other manufactures have gained much ground of late. the same will eb said for vinyl vs x. once clubs are set in their ways, its a job to change them

[disco diva]

silly question really :roll: ;) It's not about being anal either Laurence. It is about about personal choice!

Im all for technology too etc, but for me, a dj turning up with his bag of vinyl is much better then one turning up with a wee mp3 player or whatever it is they use, see dont even know ;)

It's worrying, cos before long, will dj's become like some of the so-called LIVE*scratchy chin* PA's?? Bosh a cd in or whatever, mess about looking like they are spinning of the perfect mix, when really they are not, could this be the future?? :?:

[massplanck]

we are not technology yet!

i think that as long as we are human, some of us will want something tactile rather than a file.

like a good cd deck.

[Sunil]

Rather than the 2 records playing at the same time (or wooohooo 3) that we have been stuck in for the last zillion years.

Playing 2-3 pieces of music together is what it amounts to, what's the alternative or technological progression to that going to be then? Playing ten tracks on top of one another? I personally see nothing wrong with using decks.. and at least the DJ is making an honest graft of it, unlike many people I've seen using FS, who have every track synced to the same BPM or their entire set pre arranged on screen.

[Sunil]

unlike many people I've seen using FS, who have every track synced to the same BPM or their entire set pre arranged on screen.

In reference to the above, I guess it's cool that FS should allow DJs to cue up quicker and what not, I just find the whole process to be too clinical at times.

[maily]

I just think the more that we embrace new technology, the more demand there will be to improve it, and therefore our ability to produce wild and wonderful things will be expanded and enhanced.

i guess you mean having more "live" music in clubs?
i think that has to be a good way to take our music forward,
but at the moment though technology seems like it may be part of what is holding us back, cos you can't really argue with how reliable a pair of turntables and a mixer are, and i don't think you can't say that for a pc based system (or maybe it's just my athritic athlon),
also i don't know about anyone else but at the moment i'm finding it hard enough to afford new vinyl, never mind a laptop and a few hundred quids worth of software,
my two cents

[dirty_bass]

this is all good, we need to discuss this stuff rather than just say, vinyl is great and vinyl is shit. Proper dialog will help us all.
More good discussions please.

[AcidBastard]

The way I see it, is if there will be a demand for vinyl then there will be DJ's around to specifically play vinyl. The rise is CDJ's are certainly going to live an impression on how music will be played at events. It's cheaper to download songs that are hard to find else where, and play them back with good quality. But that doesn't mean vinyl production will stop in the coming years just because this is, and will continue to happen.

Records have been the mainstay in the way people have listened to music since, I dunno, was it the 50's? I don't know the exact history of vinyl, but ever since the creation of CD's in the 80's, people still continue to buy and play the 12". I do realize that the CD whatever they're called, you use to mix is just recent technology, but to be honest I think it could have been done many years ago.

In the future, it is going to come down to a high demand for people with CD tables, they're easy to set up. But when that happens, it will deminish the atmosphere of what one person goes through when someone is mixing vinyl. So as long as there is a demand for DJ's who want to play records, people will continue to press records. And the same can be said for people who want to strictly play CD's.

It is all going to happen, whether we like to admit it or not. It all comes down to how we will all embrace such a dramatic change in what has been the standard for so many years.