same techno story.... imitators ¬¬

[fatcollective]

no its sound good actually, it makes sense :lol:

[fresh_an_funky_design]

If something makes you feel bad it can also be classed as art. However art is open to different interpetations. What will make one person feel great will make another feel bad.

This is why music of any genre is also an art from. However instead off the eyes receiving the stymulus it is your ears. All good art should have meaning to it. It isn't just about the face value properties its about a deeper meaning. I notice this with a few artists around these days. There music can be taken at face value however if you delve deeper there can often be hidden deeper meanings. This to me is what can really make the difference between a good tune and a classic.

Sorry if i've rambled or confused you but i used to study 'fine art photography' so im quite into this sort of stuff

[fresh_an_funky_design]

There is a so big open field for the creativity!

I think mere imitators can be good sound engineers, good sounds producers... but not really good ARTISTS.[/quote]


TOO RIGHT!!!! :clap: :clap:

[eyes without a face]

its just the classic age old problem that alot of artists have..... Reeko got good with his tracks and people went mad for what he done, so he did some more and more until people realised "this is almost the same as the last one!" and slowly one by one people change their opinions and next thing he's not the hero everyone thinks, but lazy and uncreative.... this isnt my personal opinion as ive never really gotten into reeko's stuff and i cudnt point out one from the other, but this seems to be the general feeling here

it happens to lots and lots of people, not just reeko, it just so happens he's been singled out for this debate, but it is sad yes, but what i dont agree with is comparing someone's work to someone else's like what happened in the review, and especially the person who put it up. it looks and has a feeling of egotism about it (and i know the artist didnt write the review), but it still reeks of a "look at this, someone said im better than Reeko" attitude..

but, yeah, it is a shame that people get stuck in these creative ruts and i guess its up to the individual artist to realise this and do what they can to shake things up again

[dirty_bass]

Ok, well, going back to the first post in this thread.

The whole delinear, not doing it for D`s etc thing.
Yeah, ok, fine.
If you`r not doing it for DJ`s, then why are you doing a vinyl label. If it`s music for listening, then vinyl is just cutting your audience to a niche.
If you are intending it to get played at a club, which I know you are, then you have to consider the DJ in some way.
Other wise, it won`t get played.
Then it just becomes stubborn stupidity, and not art.

As for the whole art/techno question. I`ve really dug into myself over this now.
Basically, there is very little originality left in techno now. 90% of it is regurgitation. But there is only so much you can do with the old Boom Tish.
I`ve actually been tearing myself apart over this for a while now. Because musically I want to spread out, but I also still love the power of dance music.

And therein lies the thing of the thing.
Dance music needs some kind of predictability, otherwise it just doesn`t work. If the beats were just random, then no-one would dance.
The dancer needs to know there is some consistency, so they can get into the flow, and lose themselves to the dance. It`s an ancient and primal thing.

So you can innovate within dance floor techno, but it becomes increasing difficult, as everything has been done before, and you have to retain some element of predictability and consistancy, and slowly, the real innovative stuff, gets closer to the line where techno crosses over from a dance music, into an art.

I think the natural evolutotion of this edge of techno, is to move out of the dancefloor/night club, where people just wanna dance, and into the "Gig" area, into band venues (such as the Astoria in london for example) where people are there for music, and also, maybe to dance to some of it.
Personally, I`m going to do both. I`m going to carry on making dance music for the tribal dances that go on in clubs and free parties. But I am also going to move into the more musical and experimental side of techno, but I`m certainly not doing it and expecting it to get played in a dance club.



I apologise for any repatition. I`ve had beer.

[The Overfiend]

Slobodan said in other topic of this forum:

i too dont really see what did this reviewer wanted to say. cant really see the link with NerVioLence's music and reeko's but hey. seems like hes sayin reeko should do something like this nervio guy, wich i, personaly, didnt like, but that doesnt matter. i agree with him that reeko's story is turning out to be a sad one. so much talent wasted on doin the same shit over..and over and over...------------------------------

Now I say:

I agree with slobodan: reeko -among others-...... are just making the same thing all time... just cooking a formula that is not brave now. I´m not on that way.... I CAN´T.

tHere is already a Regis, already a Surgeon..... if you want, already a Wunch. But please... no more same story like slobodan said... that´s sad.

For example I like Rodz-konez, by Makaton...... a good and imaginative artist. He has a strong influence over me in TiJJera Nerviolence, although perhaps my work goes beyond commercial protocols in a more radical way. Sincerely I think I pay no attention to the fact that my traks could be easily played by djs... not much attention. It doesnt matter for me.

I can ´paint´, create, techno in a more or less lineal way -although I declare myself multitextured antilenal or medlineal - but I think that 100 X 100 lineal...... it´s a bit poor! :) in my opinion

We can enrich techno beyond a merely cool powerful loop.

Seriously not feeling the approach on this whole topic.
Surely looking to be one deleted soon.
And to clear something up.
That is not Slobodan, actually reminds me a lot of bornaa.

[The Overfiend]

Matter of fact,
Loop or not. It is music and you dance to it.
I think as producers some of us have lost sight as to why some of our music is played.
To make people f*cking dance.
We are not here to put on a black turtle neck sit in a club and act all depressed about how this song sucks and i cannot wait to see how much the next song sucks ass.
Unless you are some of the greats in this game(objective to each person)
You have no room to talk.
Especially to single out someone like Reeko, I'm not into his stuff much, but I respect his gangsta as a producer. He's got more vinyl out than I
do. Bottom line get off the high horse and read the forum rules before you self promote and single out someone who is most likely younger than you are and making moves.

[eyes without a face]

word

[audioinjection]

well said guys

[gumpy green]

Ok, well, going back to the first post in this thread.

The whole delinear, not doing it for D`s etc thing.
Yeah, ok, fine.
If you`r not doing it for DJ`s, then why are you doing a vinyl label. If it`s music for listening, then vinyl is just cutting your audience to a niche.
If you are intending it to get played at a club, which I know you are, then you have to consider the DJ in some way.
Other wise, it won`t get played.
Then it just becomes stubborn stupidity, and not art.

As for the whole art/techno question. I`ve really dug into myself over this now.
Basically, there is very little originality left in techno now. 90% of it is regurgitation. But there is only so much you can do with the old Boom Tish.
I`ve actually been tearing myself apart over this for a while now. Because musically I want to spread out, but I also still love the power of dance music.

And therein lies the thing of the thing.
Dance music needs some kind of predictability, otherwise it just doesn`t work. If the beats were just random, then no-one would dance.
The dancer needs to know there is some consistency, so they can get into the flow, and lose themselves to the dance. It`s an ancient and primal thing.

So you can innovate within dance floor techno, but it becomes increasing difficult, as everything has been done before, and you have to retain some element of predictability and consistancy, and slowly, the real innovative stuff, gets closer to the line where techno crosses over from a dance music, into an art.

I think the natural evolutotion of this edge of techno, is to move out of the dancefloor/night club, where people just wanna dance, and into the "Gig" area, into band venues (such as the Astoria in london for example) where people are there for music, and also, maybe to dance to some of it.
Personally, I`m going to do both. I`m going to carry on making dance music for the tribal dances that go on in clubs and free parties. But I am also going to move into the more musical and experimental side of techno, but I`m certainly not doing it and expecting it to get played in a dance club.



I apologise for any repatition. I`ve had beer.

feeling that... agree with everything you said ther.

i think itll be very hard but not impossible to do something TOTALLY unique with techno and will only be done by very few folk......ther always one or 2 genuises about....

even if its not groundbreaking it can still please the listerer/clubber a great deal....

some of the most simple rifts can sound "better" than a very complex one....

[Adverse]

I think the natural evolutotion ...



I apologise for any repatition. I`ve had beer.

muahahahaha

[dirty_bass]

feck it, you try writing your artistic/philosophical opinions about the battle between art/commercialism/dancefloor and your own place within it, when you`ve been on a tequila and beer mission with your mates at lunchtime, for no other reason than to celebrate the fact that you survived the weekend.

[schlongfingers]

Seriously not feeling the approach on this whole topic.
Surely looking to be one deleted soon.
And to clear something up.
That is not Slobodan, actually reminds me a lot of bornaa.

:lol: :clap: Glad someone else sees that.

[slobodan]

yah ,well slobodan is very common serbian name, so....

summerofsam you want to lock and delete the only conversation that makes sense, way to go!

music is made so people can dance to it? you are such an intelectual! :clap:

[Noizic_Ignasis]

yeah what slobodan has said is very true for me, I connect with that idea> e-music is oftenly written -among others objectives- to make people dance. Just that, cool.

I think it's possible to keep a more intelectual/brainy/nerd point of view, and a more light/funny/party way of taking that music.

Two ways of thinking at the same time.

I like art, I like music, I like to dance techno that rocks me. What I don't like is snob people :roll:

I think a lot of you will agree with that.

regards!

[Adverse]

feck it, you try writing your artistic/philosophical opinions about the battle between art/commercialism/dancefloor and your own place within it, when you`ve been on a tequila and beer mission with your mates at lunchtime, for no other reason than to celebrate the fact that you survived the weekend.

i'm still laughing..

[gunjack]

dude, why are they talking about reeko with nirviolence? just listened to nirviolence and it was pretty bad.

[Adverse]

dunno.. some kind of new promotional tool :P

[The Overfiend]

yah ,well slobodan is very common serbian name, so....

summerofsam you want to lock and delete the only conversation that makes sense, way to go!

music is made so people can dance to it? you are such an intelectual! :clap:

You're such a dick, nothings changed.
Didn't you get banned once already?
I'll pull your card bro.

[Sunil]

dude, why are they talking about reeko with nirviolence? just listened to nirviolence and it was pretty bad.

Well if we are going into the whole "He's better than him business" - I heard "Against Ibiza" and it's as strong as any of the early ones you had on Sheep. He's a new producer who I think makes good techno, cut him a bit of slack I reckon. What I like about this record is that it's experimental, something 95% of hard techno records fail to be.