ok for you northern darkness nutters .........i will upload the sounds i made the loop with wich are basicaly 2 of my old shit tracks but have a good ripe sound. like i said you dope mother ****ers!! its 2 loops together 1 with a bastard, tc native parametrick eq with the preset set to bastard bright sax mode. :bash: comprenday! no northern darkness in track. now could i please have sum genuine feed back like the rest of the good guys in this post...thanks!