Concensus on Ableton DJ sets? Surgeon, Ho, Cowie, etc..

**Internal Error Records** · 13-02-2005, 05:26 AM

maybe someday Dj will stand for 'Data Jockey'.

until that time, IMO Ableton is not DJing.

**schlongfingers** · 13-02-2005, 05:32 AM

Originally Posted by Internal Error Records

maybe someday Dj will stand for 'Data Jockey'.

until that time, IMO Ableton is not DJing.

OK, i'm really happy that's sorted out :)

**Internal Error Records** · 13-02-2005, 05:55 AM

dont mind me.

i think my 2 cents converts over to about one half of a pense (sp?).

**djshiva** · 13-02-2005, 06:05 AM

hard disk jockey?

**Komplex** · 13-02-2005, 06:26 AM

I just think its time that certain dj's get off their pedestal and realise that what they do is not that special.

Big plastic discs don't make you any better. You're still mixing together other peoples music and posing around so get over it.

"REAL" dj's keep the floor moving regardless of what they use.

**Internal Error Records** · 13-02-2005, 06:34 AM

Originally Posted by Komplex

I just think its time that certain dj's get off their pedestal and realise that what they do is not that special.

Big plastic discs don't make you any better. You're still mixing together other peoples music and posing around so get over it.

"REAL" dj's keep the floor moving regardless of what they use.

thats about as subjective as anyone here can get. clearly there is no universal definition of dj.

we're best off just accepting that this will be a no-resolution topic.

**The Overfiend** · 13-02-2005, 08:03 AM

Turntabalism?
This isn't invisible scratch pickles
it's techno
You go to hear the music
not see the "dj"
or "Performer" act like an ass.
Maybe when I spin out I'll do the roger rabbit to keep everyone amused
rather than shake ass.

**Internal Error Records** · 13-02-2005, 08:32 AM

i gotta disagree.

there is crazy talented techno djs out there. and their skills are a large part of their appeal.

but hey, if new technology is some peoples excuse (or motivation) to try and sound like a cd player, god bless them.

all we are proving is that people have different opinions on what a dj is.

**The Overfiend** · 13-02-2005, 08:42 AM

End of the day I judge the music before anything else, specially not antics.
Personally I prefer the musical journey to the get fresh transformer in the middle of ak-47. :lol:

**Komplex** · 13-02-2005, 10:16 AM

Originally Posted by Internal Error Records

all we are proving is that people have different opinions on what a dj is.

we all know what a dj is here. there is nobody who doesn't know what a dj is on this board.

**GothamGrooves.com** · 13-02-2005, 04:07 PM

Originally Posted by SummerOfSam

Turntabalism?
This isn't invisible scratch pickles
it's techno
You go to hear the music
not see the "dj"
or "Performer" act like an ass.
Maybe when I spin out I'll do the roger rabbit to keep everyone amused
rather than shake ass.

Largely you are right, If it's a huge venue, you really arent gonna see the dj. but there are plenty of locals that really get into their sets, even larger "DJ's" who really get into it that play smaller venues, and when its that intimate it cool to see them get into it...

my 5 cents, hehe

**Tyrisia** · 13-02-2005, 04:42 PM

I think if u're into what u're doin, and it's goin off, then it'd be very hard not to have a bit of a jig around and get into it. I'd find it difficult not to.

Unless of course u have no passion at all for what u're doin, and are simply doin it to be and look like the man. In which case it'd be very important to u to stand there, and be and look like the man.

**basslinejunkie** · 13-02-2005, 04:47 PM

Originally Posted by SummerOfSam

Doesn't matter which brush or pen is used,
as long as the painting is priceless.

bingo.

**SlavikSvensk** · 13-02-2005, 07:44 PM

Originally Posted by Komplex

Originally Posted by Internal Error Records

all we are proving is that people have different opinions on what a dj is.

we all know what a dj is here. there is nobody who doesn't know what a dj is on this board.

i'm not sure if that's true. doing an ableton set doesn't really count as being a "disk jockey," IMO. it's something else, and it can be really good. i see it as an inexpensive and portable way to do a live performance like you used to see with MPCs and synths.

bottom line is, both have strengths, both have weaknesses, and there is plenty of room for both. i understand the reasons why you'd want to do more ableton sets...similar to why you'd want to make electronic music rather than be in a band...you have total control and can rearrange as you see fit. but it's also something in its infancy, whereas djing is an established standard. for that reason, i believe the best DJ sets still blow away anything i've heard with ableton.

seeing someone like Jeff Mills on a good day (or whoever you respect most as a DJ if you are not a Mills fan) is our version of seeing Charlie Parker or Miles Davis play jazz standards.

**DJ Becka** · 13-02-2005, 10:04 PM

Originally Posted by GothamGrooves.com

By "DJ" standards the cunt on the radio who doesnt even know how to mix just talks and press's play, and he is considered a "DJ".

No, the proper term for those people is 'On Air Personality' ;)

Honestly, when I first heard about Ableton, I was seriously against it, just because of the fact that it makes it so easy for people who download their music to just use that to 'dj'. I have a friend who works for them though and goes to seminars like Remix Hotel to show people how to use the program....after seeing how it works and how you can back up your entire record collection, incorporate this program into your djing sets, remix shit on the fly, etc, it made me see Ableton in a whole different light. Now I think Ableton is a really cool program....I have even considered getting it for myself....but I would always use vinyl in my sets too. Personally, sitting in front of a laptop for your entire 'djing' set would be too boring-and I think Ableton takes away from the whole challenge of having to beat match-the program does it for you.....so what's the fun in that really? I know you can do a lot of other things with Ableton, but that's just my big issue with that-just doesnt seem challenging enough....

As far as artists like Surgeon using it....I saw him the other night here in NY, and you know, I really liked what I was hearing.....but I didnt like what I was SEEING....this was the first time I've actually seen someone use Ableton at a performance and it just seemed weird to see him hunched over his laptop-just too boring.....I go out to dance, but I like to see when the 'DJ' is getting into it too....up there, he wasnt even breaking out in a sweat.......

**Martin Dust** · 13-02-2005, 10:19 PM

What you are all really taking about is beatmatching, this is the only advantage Live will give you. It won't help you do good edits or program a good set, it wont help you mix tracks, jeesh enough already - this is techno we are talking about, what are you all scared of? Future music, yeah? How long does it take to learn to beatmatch - 4 weeks tops? Live is here to stay and you'll be seeing a lot more of it in techno so you'd better get use't to it.

As for watching the DJ, well that's your call and I can understand it, but some people don't express themselves like, say, Claude Young. Surge focuses on the music and to be honest I wouldn't have it any other way, his shit is hot.

There's some really luddites around, this is the same shit Kraftwerk had to listen to in 70's, except this time it isn't from ****ing hippies with guitars...

**The Overfiend** · 13-02-2005, 10:23 PM

Originally Posted by Martin Dust

this is techno we are talking about, what are you all scared of? Future music, yeah?

:clap:

**schlongfingers** · 13-02-2005, 10:33 PM

Originally Posted by Martin Dust

There's some really luddites around, this is the same shit Kraftwerk had to listen to in 70's, except this time it isn't from **** hippies with guitars...

Precisely!

**djshiva** · 13-02-2005, 10:55 PM

wow i didnt realize this would be such a hot subject.

Surgeon and Adam Jay tonite in Indy, they are both doing Ableton sets...
should be interesting.

I'll consider what you've all said while i shake my thang and take it all in.

**Joseph Isaac** · 14-02-2005, 04:16 AM

Originally Posted by Internal Error Records

The problem is in Albeton DJ sets is there is no TURNTABLISM.

Not totally true...There are ways of manipulating loops to sound like beat-doubling and juggling, but it takes an extremely steady hand...as far as scratching is concerned, you got me there...

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