Italian DJ fined 1.4m Euros for playing mp3's in clubs

[davethedrummer]

just don't steal anything o.k.
it's wrong and you know it.

[j_s]

but does music belong to anyone in the first place?
its there to share, surely?
i often fail to see how can anyone seriously say 'yeah, if you make the air vibrate in this specific way then you have to give me dollar'?

[massplanck]

but does music belong to anyone in the first place?
its there to share, surely?
i often fail to see how can anyone seriously say 'yeah, if you make the air vibrate in this specific way then you have to give me dollar'?

[j_s]

wassat supposed to mean?

[Mirsha]

not that i do, i only own deks no final skratch or that...but what if you coulny find the orig to buy.....

This is why being able to buy mp3's online is such a killer, for no cost a label can provide an endless supply of those classic back cats that only people in the know from in the day have.

so once im a producer, feel free to copy my stuff and let the world hear it....its why i made it apart from the fact i enjoy it. ;)

all you have to do is write a licensing agreement somewhere which states thats the case and your sorted. Just a "Feel free to play this anywhere anytime and stick it to the man but I still hold copyright over the intelluctual property".

Actually why don't we make this a publicly usable licensing agreement like GNU or something, we'll call it the "FREE BOABY" licence.

i aint in techno to make money........

I was there that night you were all rolling in a sack of filthy mad cash that was the door takings from Jak-N. Remember getting a roll of pound coins up yer jacksie?

[massplanck]

wassat supposed to mean?

It means i'm waggin my finger at you.

Surely your own voice is yours or do I part own it two?

[SlavikSvensk]

it would be nice if we lived in a world where techno producers were subsidized to make art for the people, but we don't.

people make the mistake of thinking capitalism is an ideology. it's not...it's a comprehensive set of floating price ratios, and everyone is dependent on it for survival. understanding this and compensating artists in order to keep them producing and drive innovation is not the same as pandering to corporate greed.

[Stella Boy]

but does music belong to anyone in the first place?
its there to share, surely?
i often fail to see how can anyone seriously say 'yeah, if you make the air vibrate in this specific way then you have to give me dollar'?

I can understand where you're coming from ( I think ) but what you posted makes absolutely no sense. Could you possible expand on why artists should work for free ?

Sorry if my reply is deemed as negative to the mods but i'd be interested to hear what the answer is.

[dirty_bass]

it would be nice if we lived in a world where techno producers were subsidized to make art for the people, but we don't.

people make the mistake of thinking capitalism is an ideology. it's not...it's a comprehensive set of floating price ratios, and everyone is dependent on it for survival. understanding this and compensating artists in order to keep them producing and drive innovation is not the same as pandering to corporate greed.

Exactly.
Intelligence over blind anarchy

[davethedrummer]

but does music belong to anyone in the first place?
its there to share, surely?
i often fail to see how can anyone seriously say 'yeah, if you make the air vibrate in this specific way then you have to give me dollar'?

oh boy
straight out of the 1985 stonhenge free festival handbook.
( property is theft man!!) ( groan)
what the hell do you want then ? no art at all ?
because if people never got paid for making art that's what you'd eventually get.
wake up man , there's a real world out there , it has money and everything
, cars , boats , planes you know people....food....problems...like real life type stuff man!
sorry about that.

[Si303Dirt]

:clap: :clap: couldnt have said it better

[davethedrummer]

double posts grrrr!

[audioinjection]

isnt there a law that says, even if you bought the music (records) and play them out in a nightclub or whatever, you can still get sued for not having the rights to play the music out in public?

i heard that, if they want they can go after you even if you're playing music in a little ol market or whatever, as long as the place is bringin in money, you have to pay royalties

[Mirsha]

wake up man , there's a real world out there , it has money and everything
, cars , boats , planes you know people....food....problems...like real life type stuff man!
sorry about that.

What about those people that eat, shit and breathe techno? Surely they don't need anything else!

[fatcollective]

just don't steal anything o.k.
it's wrong and you know it.

:clap:

[SlavikSvensk]

wake up man , there's a real world out there , it has money and everything
, cars , boats , planes you know people....food....problems...like real life type stuff man!
sorry about that.

What about those people that eat, shit and breathe techno? Surely they don't need anything else!

they're malnourished

[dan the acid man]

im glad this has happened, lets hope it scares a few people into not doing this

[SlavikSvensk]

im glad this has happened, lets hope it scares a few people into not doing this

i really, really hope people start supporting artists, rather than undercutting them, but i'm also uncomfortable with the idea of some dj having a 3 million euro fine leveled at him. it seems a bit drastic...

[j_s]

wassat supposed to mean?

It means i'm waggin my finger at you.

Surely your own voice is yours or do I part own it two?

it came from me, but i don't see why i should want to charge you money to hear it. music is for people to hear - let them hear it, does that make sense?

i suppose there are those who are so deeply involved with music that their relationship with it requires their undivided attention. perhaps those people couldn't operate in the way they do with other time consuming distractions (jobs etc.). i hadn't really thought of music in that way. however i do feel that it is possible for people to progress creatively and produce work of value at the same time as holding down a regular job and supporting themselves through non artistic means. i can't help but think that with some of the money taken out of music distribution, more people would be encouraged to produce and share music, which has got to be a good thing. i suppose i don't have any real problem with the way the music industry generally works, just with the attitude that music can only operate within that system...

[dirty_bass]

Haha
The best writers, were mostly poor, as they devoted their life to their art.
Same with painters.
And with musicians.
To be good at your craft you need to put in the time.
Personally I have a job that fits around my music, but it sucks.
What is wrong with earning your living doing something you enjoy. Isn`t that everybodies dream.
What is your job?
Do you do it for free?
Do you go into a shop when you want to update your PC and say to the shopkeeper "man, you should give it to me for free, computers should be free. Computers are for people to use, why should you charge me money to want to use it? Let me use it?
Does that make sense?
Why should nurses get paid?
Do surgeons really need to get paid?
Surely they can get another job to support them, as the fact that they are saving lives should be enough for them.

Your argument just doesn`t hold up man.

And to those people and artists who genuinely work hard for their art. It`s kind of an insult.