Italian DJ fined 1.4m Euros for playing mp3's in clubs

[MARKEG]

100% agree :clap:

[j_s]

Haha
The best writers, were mostly poor, as they devoted their life to their art.
Same with painters.
And with musicians.
To be good at your craft you need to put in the time.
Personally I have a job that fits around my music, but it sucks.
What is wrong with earning your living doing something you enjoy. Isn`t that everybodies dream.
What is your job?
Do you do it for free?
Do you go into a shop when you want to update your PC and say to the shopkeeper "man, you should give it to me for free, computers should be free. Computers are for people to use, why should you charge me money to want to use it? Let me use it?
Does that make sense?
Why should nurses get paid?
Do surgeons really need to get paid?
Surely they can get another job to support them, as the fact that they are saving lives should be enough for them.

Your argument just doesn`t hold up man.

And to those people and artists who genuinely work hard for their art. It`s kind of an insult.

you're right, the only real point i was trying to make was that music can be a worthwhile means of communication without necessarily spending your whole life being 'the best' at it.

and when i said music is for people to hear - i don't think the computer analogy is quite fair. the person who took the time to make it wasn't trying to express anything when they made it, the computer wouldn't mean any more to it's maker once someone had connected with it. the jobs that medical workers do are perhaps more similar, though, which i imagine is why some people do opt to do work of that nature voluntarily - which kind of relates to my point above. i think thats enough rambling for now....

[SlavikSvensk]

if an artist wants to distribute their music for free, then no one--and i mean no one--is ever going to stop them. the problem is that a lot of people spend a ton of money to get the gear they need to make music, then put a ton of hours into making that music, and a sh*tload of elbow grease into getting that music out.

i don't mind if someone has a few illegal downloads for personal consumption (i am definately talking about limited numbers here), but playing them out and making money from them...well...that's just robbery to me...

[heavy beats]

there's got to be plenty of loopholes around this. for example, what happens if u received the mp3s directly from the artist, label or distributor, before the tracks are signed to a label or maybe received as a promo for that release? would it still be ok to play them after they are signed and released?

[Rizage]

there's got to be plenty of loopholes around this. for example, what happens if u received the mp3s directly from the artist, label or distributor, before the tracks are signed to a label or maybe received as a promo for that release? would it still be ok to play them after they are signed and released?

That or just like burning a copy of your own cds...I don't believe it's illegal to make a copy of a record that you bought, so what if you actually owned all of the records that you now play MP3s of??? Wouldn't they have to first prove that you don't originally own the recs themselves?

[karlo]

did he have 1.4 million euros to pay the fine with??? if so he had too much cash anyway and deserved it :lol: :lol:

Prison, hmmm isnt funny to have that money and **** around with mp3 ?

[davethedrummer]

there's got to be plenty of loopholes around this. for example, what happens if u received the mp3s directly from the artist, label or distributor, before the tracks are signed to a label or maybe received as a promo for that release? would it still be ok to play them after they are signed and released?

That or just like burning a copy of your own cds...I don't believe it's illegal to make a copy of a record that you bought, so what if you actually owned all of the records that you now play MP3s of??? Wouldn't they have to first prove that you don't originally own the recs themselves?

aaaah now that's interesting!!!
i hadn't thought of that...good point....let's ask someone.

[killarava2day]

This'll do Picotto's image a world of good

[davethedrummer]

This'll do Picotto's image a world of good

erm.......
italian+dj=picotto........it's a bit obvious?

[heavy beats]

it's not picotto.

I heard it was the dj from Eiffel 65.

[massplanck]

it came from me, but i don't see why i should want to charge you money to hear it. music is for people to hear - let them hear it, does that make sense?

What If i stole you voice somehow using some mad new plugin on abelton live version 6c and rang up your boss & mates and told them that they were all wankers? :lol: ;)

however i do feel that it is possible for people to progress creatively and produce work of value at the same time as holding down a regular job and supporting themselves through non artistic means.

I actually agree with you there but thats because we play/make music which pretty much requires most of us to have day jobs anyway. I dont think I would ever like to be in the position where my music brought in all the money because if things went arseways that would mean that I would proabably have to sell out in some way to keep my income levels up.

[karlo]

it's not picotto.

I heard it was the dj from Eiffel 65.

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[Joseph Isaac]

im blue im di ba da da ....GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

LMAO!

[j_s]

however i do feel that it is possible for people to progress creatively and produce work of value at the same time as holding down a regular job and supporting themselves through non artistic means.

I actually agree with you there but thats because we play/make music which pretty much requires most of us to have day jobs anyway. I dont think I would ever like to be in the position where my music brought in all the money because if things went arseways that would mean that I would proabably have to sell out in some way to keep my income levels up.

then allow me to play devil's advocate for a second here and suggest that perhaps less money involved in music = less temptation to 'sell out' = more innovation & creativity?

[SlavikSvensk]

then allow me to play devil's advocate for a second here and suggest that perhaps less money involved in music = less temptation to 'sell out' = more innovation & creativity?

i'd say that's utopian naivety.

a) some people will always sell out

b) investment (i.e. money) drives technology and innovation. even in communist countries, advancement came only with heavy public-sector investment.

that's not to say that people should make art for the sole purpose of making money, but i am absolutely certain that if no one could make a living off making techno, very few records would ever come out, few djs would both playing outside of their local base, and the overall quality of the music being put out would plummet.

[dirty_bass]

I`m a little sick of this argument now, it`s a bit juvenile.
Normally, the people who say "music should be free man" are the ones ripping stuff left right and centre filling up their hard drives with other peoples work.
Wait till the arse drops out of the scene.
Their will be no "scene"
Nightclubs don`t run on air.

[gustavo]

well....

anyone who wants to give his work away fine

of course that means u will hardly make a life in music + u will most likely be exploited in a company (doing whatever)

if u steal u r thief people who download mp3s illegaly are thiefs (to me there is no difference betwen entering a shop and running with a 12" and downloading illegal mp3s

the act is stealiing

and worst u like techno right well stealing is just making it worse to everyone

and to U to

i think the industry should sell mp3s and mp3sets at low cost

i might be wrong but if drumcode or phont start to sell mp3s in theyr site cheap they will earn a lot of money (+ sets imagine listening to a set preview or a track listing (u can listen in a shop before buying the set )and buying a set for 50 c

or 1e

is it expensive think at it this way the more money u put in techno the better for all who like techno because if techno is stronger U have more chances of being a part of it

if labels are not selling they will not sign up new producers etcetcetcetc

[SlavikSvensk]

bravo gustavo! not only do we share a name, but also a way of looking at things.

also bravo dirty...everyone who justifies profiting off illegal mp3s should remember that TECHNO IS IN A F***ING RECESSION!

[j_s]

then allow me to play devil's advocate for a second here and suggest that perhaps less money involved in music = less temptation to 'sell out' = more innovation & creativity?

i'd say that's utopian naivety.

a) some people will always sell out

b) investment (i.e. money) drives technology and innovation. even in communist countries, advancement came only with heavy public-sector investment.

that's not to say that people should make art for the sole purpose of making money, but i am absolutely certain that if no one could make a living off making techno, very few records would ever come out, few djs would both playing outside of their local base, and the overall quality of the music being put out would plummet.

well if there's no money to be made - how can people sell out?

but yeah, making music costs money. though that is changing, the range & quality of free software is improving all the time. but i'm just argueing for the sake of it now. i pay for music and am happy to do so, still, it's always nice to see things going on that don't rely so heavily on money (free mp3 releases, free parties etc.)...

[dirty_bass]

you pay for your dr...ugs though right?