Italian DJ fined 1.4m Euros for playing mp3's in clubs

[gustavo]

there r some things i would like everyone to understand


a) if someone gets music from a label or dj (illegal downl for examp)who dont give permission to do so is stealing (if someone gets samples without paying is stealing etcetcetcetc

b) if the label says i dont care that they steal from me thats one thing if they mind and most certainly do because they have to make it work at the end of the month $ thats another thing .........................

one of the most important point is this and it seems that some people r not understanding

if techno is financially down its bad for everyone who likes techno aspiring djs , labels ertc etc

will have a really hard time

im sure the way to make techno forward is certainly not donwloads but buiyng good records

im not sure if u r really understanding what i mean ,why people make excuses for stealing? why they dont see the big picture?

instead of focusing in small details and comparisons?

maybe because many techno djs and people dont really have a lot of life and business experience i think (i mean when u have 19 u see things in one way but when u r 28 u see things in another perespevtive

i hope the guys who r here for some years understand what im triyng tom say

[SlavikSvensk]

totally understand, gustavo. techno is in a recession...

[dirty_bass]

I think we`ve said all that needs to be said here now, I`ll leave this topic up for another day and then lock it, as really it`s going round in circles, and the refreshing thing about it, is that the majority of people think that earning bread out of the theft of someone elses work is wrong.

[tocsin]

I think we`ve said all that needs to be said here now, I`ll leave this topic up for another day and then lock it, as really it`s going round in circles, and the refreshing thing about it, is that the majority of people think that earning bread out of the theft of someone elses work is wrong.

I just wonder how much of that is lip service. People here have said it's wrong but haven't answered my questions. Do people use uncleared samples? Do people here not buy music that uses uncleared samples? Do people contact every artist who's work they use on a mixtape? I don't agree that piracy has really had much of a dent on techno sales at all. Techno got big without any help from the mainstream industry and copyright law largely due to advancements in technology that made it affordable for artists to achieve high quality results without using any of the middle men who held onto their positions as a result of the mainstream industry. If techno that we liked started out in the same game as everyone else, it would have fizzled out and died before it ever even took off. The Winston's should be rich as a result of the techno scene. Any good sams here contact them about infringing works? Fake and uneven morality is just hypocritical. For those of you who have never sampled anything nor bought anything with infringing material because that is how strongly you feel about "theft," kudos to you. I'd be surprised if there was a single person on this board who could say they are such a person. And, to those who might be that way, well, in your eyes I guess I'm just a thief but, in the end, I simply don't care. Besides, the whole theft argument pretty much ignores the fact that the trend jumpers who helped the sound blow up for a bit got very sick of it while, at the same time, production of similar sounding crap increased ten fold.

[MangaFish]

who was it? (i'm not reading through 6 pages of rants to find the named and shamed dj)

[djshiva]

what i want to know is...how exactly did they determine the "illegal" mp3s?

what if he bought some, friends gave him some (of their own stuff for argument's sake), and then he downloaded some? most people i know actually do use a combination of these, so how do the authorities make that determination.

i would think that would be pretty importanat if they're gonna fine you 200 euros per mp3 to know exactly which ones are he naughty ones, dontcha think?

[djshiva]

But string theory says that all matter (including air) is made out of vibrating strings :lol:

I'm stoked to see other theoretical physicists, or at least enthusiasts, are on this board...Suffice it to say, some of the most intelligent people I know listen to techno. :clap:

yay!!! physics geeks unite! count me in too. can't do math but love the theory... :)

[MangaFish]

what i want to know is...how exactly did they determine the "illegal" mp3s?

what if he bought some, friends gave him some (of their own stuff for argument's sake), and then he downloaded some? most people i know actually do use a combination of these, so how do the authorities make that determination.

i would think that would be pretty importanat if they're gonna fine you 200 euros per mp3 to know exactly which ones are he naughty ones, dontcha think?

they probably knew from downlaod streams. alot of big comertial labels set up fake mp3's in the hope to catch regular downlaoders and they trace their ip number

[Mirsha]

what if he bought some,
friends gave him some (of their own stuff for argument's sake),
then he downloaded some?

Legal, legal and illegal. Fairly simple really. If you haven't paid for the track or been giving express permission to use it by someone holding rights to it it's illegal.

[The Divide]

But string theory says that all matter (including air) is made out of vibrating strings :lol:

I'm stoked to see other theoretical physicists, or at least enthusiasts, are on this board...Suffice it to say, some of the most intelligent people I know listen to techno. :clap:

yay!!! physics geeks unite! count me in too. can't do math but love the theory... :)

:lol:

Know anything about monatomic elements?

(totally off topic)

[djshiva]

then allow me to play devil's advocate for a second here and suggest that perhaps less money involved in music = less temptation to 'sell out' = more innovation & creativity?

as a full-fledged anarchist i am still gonna have to disagree with you and say that as far as techno goes, not too many fuggas are making a shit ton of cash, or play music accessible enough to be corporate sell-outs.

most techno producers i know, even the ones who are fairly well-known, are not making a ton of money. and last time i checked, sony and volkswagen weren't beating down our favorite techno producers' doors, so i am fairly unconcerned that my techno brothers and sisters are selling out.

i may be a dirty, unapologetic anarchist who thinks that capitalism is evil dirty business, but i still gotta eat, and so does everyone i know...

[djshiva]

what if he bought some,
friends gave him some (of their own stuff for argument's sake),
then he downloaded some?

Legal, legal and illegal. Fairly simple really. If you haven't paid for the track or been giving express permission to use it by someone holding rights to it it's illegal.

but again, even if there were illegal ones, how do you determine that, especially if you are being fined PER mp3. that's a pretty important distinction.

and unless italian authorities are really way more sophisticated than american ones (which wouldn't be far fetched prolly), i don't think they're that ****ing smart really...