Multi Faceted Producers

[machina]

i guess surgeon's pretty multi-faceted within a pretty distinct sound (how's that for a contradiction!) - but i'm sure at least some of you know what i mean...

machina

[heavy beats]

oh yeah... eric prydz ;)

[OriginalTechnobastard]

Yeah if you listen to the Hackers last album, that would give you something diverse. From minimal electro to good modern new romantic electro to rave techno to vocal heavy techno to weird experimental electro at the end. Thats diverse. So is the rest of the albums that came out of the goodlife catalog. I would say Youngsters can do diverse as well. I say most of the French camp have done lot of different things. You only have to check the Fanfare Ep on how you make great innovative diverse tracks.

[tioneb]

MICHAEL JACKSON

from dead alive in "thriller" to little boys screamin in his bed

[SlavikSvensk]

MICHAEL JACKSON

from dead alive in "thriller" to little boys screamin in his bed

no, the little boys are totally derivative...he was doing that same kind of stuff 10 years ago ;)

[g]

Speedy J

[Patrick DSP]

actually i know what your trying to say.. and it's still trite sorry.

being multi faceted within one sphere is just not possible it's contradiction.

damn i could go for a good patrick dsp analogy right now.

anyways..

LOL

i finaly strated reading this thread.
lol

[Sunil]

Yeah if you listen to the Hackers last album, that would give you something diverse. From minimal electro to good modern new romantic electro to rave techno to vocal heavy techno to weird experimental electro at the end. Thats diverse. So is the rest of the albums that came out of the goodlife catalog. I would say Youngsters can do diverse as well. I say most of the French camp have done lot of different things. You only have to check the Fanfare Ep on how you make great innovative diverse tracks.

That's completely wrong. Hacker's album is not diverse, and I wouldn't class the Goodlife or associated producers, in general, to be diverse.. They're good, yes.. diverse? not really.

Also, the title track off "Fanfares" is basically Capricorn "20 hz" and Plastikman "Spastik" spliced together.. nothing innovative or diverse about it.

[Sunil]

Have you checked out Hacker's 1st album by the way? That's a killer, probably a lot of the reason why I was dissapointed with the new one.

[OriginalTechnobastard]

Yeah if you listen to the Hackers last album, that would give you something diverse. From minimal electro to good modern new romantic electro to rave techno to vocal heavy techno to weird experimental electro at the end. Thats diverse. So is the rest of the albums that came out of the goodlife catalog. I would say Youngsters can do diverse as well. I say most of the French camp have done lot of different things. You only have to check the Fanfare Ep on how you make great innovative diverse tracks.

That's completely wrong. Hacker's album is not diverse, and I wouldn't class the Goodlife or associated producers, in general, to be diverse.. They're good, yes.. diverse? not really.

Also, the title track off "Fanfares" is basically Capricorn "20 hz" and Plastikman "Spastik" spliced together.. nothing innovative or diverse about it.

Ok but I am talking about the Ep as in whole. Three tracks and they all sound very different than each other. Don't you agree? Woo doesn't sound anything like Candy and Candy doesn't sound anything like Fanfare!
No I don't think I am wrong about Hacker's album. Here is my analysis of Hacker's album:
First track is heavy techno influenced vocal track
Third is more of his electro stuff with Miss Kittin
Fourth (I can't remember every single track and I'm listenning to Ferox live right now) is dark techno
5 Track is minimalist electro Snowflakes
6 Track is new romantic but futuristic track with Mt Sims
I think track 7 is electro-techno
Track 8 and 9 Rave theme techno
Track 10 is more experimental electro

There is 10 tracks and about 5 or 6 different styles, that to me is pretty diverse. I think Hacker's first album was the same(released in Goodlife)

There he tackled Techno, Detroit Techno, Hawtin style techno and electro-techno, even New Order!

I've think if you look at Kiko and Oxia they have their obvious styles (Italo-electro or techno in some cases, and Detroit Techno). Yes there might be a theme but there is still lot of diversity in those albums.
I seriously think you should give Hacker's album more of listen. It might not be your cup of tea, but its a very, very good album. If you look at his what fifty or so releases, you would see he has a diverse style. As one of Half of Black Ops to Miss Kittin stuff to minimal techno to turbo release to funk dvoid remix to horrorist remix to dancefloor killer stuff to his new album. I can go on. To look at those releases and not say he is not diverse is a mistake in my book. There are so many Techno people out there who stay at the same format, which can get pretty boring. But Hacker diffently is not one of them. Exact opposite. I don't think he can be any more diverse. Seriously what style hasn't he done?

[Sunil]

Vitalic "Fanfares" wasn't a great record in my opinion, can't remember it all track by track, only that the long side was typical French, Daft Punk kind of sound.

You know the Hacker album very well. I listened a few times, but it didn't have the same effect as previous stuff by him, mainly because I'd heard it all before. He's a very good producer ,who is, by his own admission, putting a slant on styles (particularly 80's synth pop) that he likes. He hasn't struck me as too diverse an artist but in his defence he does make some great techno music, as opposed to just loops. Recently I've found his stuff a touch formulaic I have to say. I still like his sound but wouldn't mind to hear something a bit more forward thinking, or a break from the norm.

[SlavikSvensk]

hacker has his own very distinct style, easy to recognize, but i think he's also a guy who plays around with his formula and doesn't just keep re-releasing the same loop repackaged...

[OriginalTechnobastard]

I just wrote a detail reply to you Sunil but it didn't go through. Will follow later. By the way whats your favourite Hacker track and why?(Guessing Techno Sunset or tracks at the end of the melodies en soul?)

[philipryan]

I suppose the obvious ones are people like Mark Broom, Carl Craig, Sterac and Luke Slater.
Surgeon can turn his hand to many styles as well... for me 'Balance' is one of the most complete techno 'albums' (in the traditional sense) I've heard. I really liked Johannes Heil's 'Illuminate the Planet' too... but for sheer multi-facetedness (?), I can't think of anyone better than Aphex Twin.

[Zektor]

Definitely Paul Mac and Mark Broom

But you people are forgetting Claude Young (!!!)...from banging hard techno to soulful detroit beats!

[OriginalTechnobastard]

Vitalic "Fanfares" wasn't a great record in my opinion, can't remember it all track by track, only that the long side was typical French, Daft Punk kind of sound.

You know the Hacker album very well. I listened a few times, but it didn't have the same effect as previous stuff by him, mainly because I'd heard it all before. He's a very good producer ,who is, by his own admission, putting a slant on styles (particularly 80's synth pop) that he likes. He hasn't struck me as too diverse an artist but in his defence he does make some great techno music, as opposed to just loops. Recently I've found his stuff a touch formulaic I have to say. I still like his sound but wouldn't mind to hear something a bit more forward thinking, or a break from the norm.

Vitalic was a great EP to me because:
Mainly because Candy was an asssoarer the other tracks were
Woo was soulful gameboy type synths but deep
Fanfare was a dreamy marching type sound

Which is diverse right? 3 tracks three different approaches
No I don't think its the French Daft Punk sound. Yes it is French Vitalic Techno sound but not House. Besides Homework had some Techno Tunes. There is 0 wrong with Daft Punk. They went poppy last time around a bit but they brought something different which is alot more then what we can say about some Techno artist. Main thing I can say about Vitalic is, if you want to bring a place alight, put that shit on. He is a ****kin legend. I mean didn't you say for harder heads check Manu Le Main remix. He also did some Acid Techno some mellow stuff and some trademark Vitalic metal techno and some great electro tracks.

Going back to the Hacker! Yes he is a great artist but if you don't like his new album fair enough. Maybe we see different things in it. 'He puts slant on 80's synth' Yep sure he is influenced by New Order, Depeche Mode, Front 242 but he mentions French Rave scene in 90's and Hardcore scene as his roots and what caused him to start developing his sound! Thats why you see dark undertones in his music, which is great. When he does 80's he does it with his trademark. That Mt Sims Track is nice. I really like good music no matter what the category(Only Electronic though :lol: ) I would say he totally changed his sound and gone completely different then what he has done before. Kind of like fukkinn Mozart in studio, put musical balance on Technology music, adding layers of song structure to it.

PS I love French Techno! I have done for years and look out for all the releases by them. I wasn't too keen on Caretta sound until couple of years ago when he massively improved his sound. Now! We'll he fukkin rocked it in DK011 and his album. I do think the sound French gang have is lot more innovative then lot of the Techno guys coming out with elite old school influence thing. At the end of day melody and funk has to be!

[davethedrummer]

i like people having predictable styles
as much as i like diversity
i don't really care
i just buy the record if it's good
and i don't if it's not
then i mix them together in an order that i like
and that's about it.

sometimes too much diversity in an artist just gets confusing
like the rolling stones playing reggae or something

a bit naff

[OriginalTechnobastard]

what you think of French Techno?

[AcidTrash]

sorry but i can't get over how dumb this topic is.. it's techno for ffs.

multi faceted... if i stretch my imagination and this is after like 10 minutes of sincerely thinking about it and having inner turmoil with the fact that techno is realistically just techno and not a bunch of subgenres that make it sound more diverse than it is...

I'd have to agree.

[Sunil]

PS I love French Techno!

Really? I wouldn't have guessed that at all :lol:

Ok, well let's just say the French are diverse within their field? I'd agree on that, however on a whole I don't regard them as producers who sway too much from the same style(s). You know, I'm not saying they have to be diverse or be wildly innovative, I love most of the French stuff regardless of how much they are pushing the envelope; for me they make great party tracks, which is enough :)