middle aged djs........

[dirty_bass]

When you give up your dreams, something dies inside you.

[Dustin Zahn]

True, but that's life. I'm not backing up Sven Vath 100% here (I personally can't stand anything is he about), but I think his message is being misunderstood here. If you're 35 with a family and/or anybody that relies on you...it's not fair to them that you're still trying to chase a nearly unachievable dream. My feelings are, if you have a family you better be prepared to make some sacrifices and raise it properly.

Another possibility, there may have been a lot more to this interview than what was included. It's not uncommon for the media to pick apart sentences and string them together to stir up the general public.

More important than anything, why does anyone really care what Sven has to say? Unless he was a big influence it shouldn't really matter.

[Tyrisia]

I'm busting my ass with the music thing right now but I'm also smart enough to keep it as a hobby and have a backup plan so I can raise a family or do whatever I want to do in the future.

Yep, I agree with that, I've got a backup plan too, with my qualification in IT I could get a job tomorrow (in fact I've got a job, but not in IT as I don't want responsibility, but that's another story).

And yes I agree in that I personally wouldn't (and haven't been) happy with no job, as I've had time off work just to make music and got absolutely f@## all done, either through being skint, or having too much time on me hands.

But the bloke's sweeping and judgemental statements take in no regard for personal circumstances, or the individual who's reading his "enlightened words". No arguments, the guy knows the business, but only from his own perspective.

Maybe he can see things deteriorating (or changing) and internally wishes he'd done something else, but that's pure speculation.

[dirty_bass]

It`s really none of his business though is it.

[djshiva]

where has this buutmunch been? most of us already have other jobs.

i didn't start djing until i was 23, so i will continue as long as i like thankyouverymuch.

i get enough people from the rest of the world telling me that i am a loser at 33, i don't need some eurodjpants telling me the same thing.

[djshiva]

Perhaps Sven doesn't realise that some people do it just for a love of it, rather than as a career.

I agree, the idea of someone aged 30-40 playing the odd gig, sitting around waiting for their "big break" to come is a little sad. I'm not sure how realistic this scenario is however.

that's really the key, innit? i have been spinning for 10 years and i don't "wait" for things to happen. you gotta make it happen. and the fact is that it's all pretty fun, so hey...gonna keep doing it as long as being on the decks makes me happy.

and i still get carded for cigarettes at 33, if that means anything... ;)

[Sunil]

ego if you ask me

Yes, that's Sven.
Maybe he should give up himself, although maybe he's hanging around to see if Alter Ego will help him produce something sometime soon.

[oldbugger]

complete shite that from sven.

makes absolutely no difference at all how old anybody is IMO.
if your 80 and you enjoy dj'ing why does anyone have the right to tell you to quit :dontevengothere: ..

complete nonsense.

[j_s]

When you give up your dreams, something dies inside you.

The pain of attatchment to things we may never achieve?

[dirty_bass]

When you give up your dreams, something dies inside you.

The pain of attatchment to things we may never achieve?

Things only have the power you give them.

[Internal Error Records]

im ready to move on from the rediculousness of his statements, he clearly isnt objective.


What I am wondering is does he also mean that middle age djs shouldnt buy his records or cds either?

[j_s]

When you give up your dreams, something dies inside you.

The pain of attatchment to things we may never achieve?

Things only have the power you give them.

by aspiring to / desiring something, surely that gives the something power over us...

is it possible to achieve without ambition? is all effort is merely an attempt to satisfy our own desires? the thought that all actions are inherently selfish isn't a particularly nice one. c'est la vie eh.

[dirty_bass]

hehe, as much as I like high philosophy, I think dreams and ambitions are the thing that push you forward.
Without them, where is the incentive to get better.

And yeah, all middle aged DJ`s who should give up if they don`t make it by a certian time, should stop buying svens records.

[fresh_an_funky_design]

he didn't say you should quit dj'n he's saying you should have a back up plan as well. which is a sensible idea

[dirty_bass]

Read this from trackitdown.net, I found it interesting........

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Sven Vath Calls Last Orders for Middle Ranking, Middle Aged DJs :: Skrufff.com Reported by Trackitdown on 05-03-2005

Germany’s legendary superstar DJ Sven Vath chatted to Skrufff this week and sparked controversy by claiming most 30-something DJs should find other careers.

“If you haven’t made it as a DJ by the time you’re 35 you should quit,” Sven suggested, “Because the young ones are waiting.”

“What I mean by ‘making it’ is making it to the big time,” the 40 year old techno pioneer explained. “What I see happening right now is that the
market for middle class (middle level- Ed) DJs in particular is diminishing; the top class DJs and the low class DJs will still be around, but it’s going to be increasingly hard for the middle class DJs to survive,” he predicted.

“If you’re a middle class DJ and you’re 33 or 34 years old and you can’t see the light at the end if the tunnel, ie that something is going to explode in the next two or three years, then you should think about having another job as well,” he added.

As well as DJing, producing and running various record labels, the massively successful star runs Ibiza superclub Cocoon and has also recently opened a Cocoon club in his hometown of Frankfurt, and stressed that he believes diversification is essential for DJs hoping to survive.

“Some DJs out there are only DJs and it’s important to do other things as well as DJing,” he advised.

“If you’re only DJing the day will come when it all finishes and- phew, it’s not that easy. This is my opinion,” he concluded.

Sven Vath in the Mix- the Sound of the Fifth Season, is out now on Cocoon Recordings.

http://www.cocoonclub.net

Jonty Skrufff Skrufff.com)

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[dirty_bass]

Actually, reading it again, it sounds like fear from someone who think he is gonna be replaced.
What does he think the high level DJ`s will last forever, and the low level ones will stay that way.
Or will the low level local DJ`s suddenly become top level Sasha types, without going through the mid level?

He`s a TF as william burroughs would say.

[loopdon]

im ready to move on from the rediculousness of his statements, he clearly isnt objective.


What I am wondering is does he also mean that middle age djs shouldnt buy his records or cds either?

probably not, then ;)

[loopdon]

he didn't say you should quit dj'n he's saying you should have a back up plan as well. which is a sensible idea

i think that's the point.

[DJ Becka]

Actually, reading it again, it sounds like fear from someone who think he is gonna be replaced.
What does he think the high level DJ`s will last forever, and the low level ones will stay that way.
Or will the low level local DJ`s suddenly become top level Sasha types, without going through the mid level?

He`s a TF as william burroughs would say.

That's what I was thinking when I read that....maybe he should be the one to retire ;)

[davethedrummer]

oh god!
sven is just letting the cat out of the bag really
it's just an extremely paranoid statement saying
" this town aint big enough for the both of us"
dustin you did an admirable job defending his corner
but sorry sven you are wrong , you are paranoid , and yeah you'll probably be replaced someday..... by my son????

i'm 35 i live off my djing because i simply do not have time to do anything else
i write fewer tracks these days because of djing commitments
and i play parties with 2/3000 people in south america when i only play to 2/300 people in other countries......

am i a middle class dj??
i really couldn't give a ........

but like any sensible human being i am aware that my djing existence is finite , i have a family to support , and i do have plans for the future that don't involve djing....

but sven , naff off and get old gracefully mate !
there's a whole world of opportunity out there for the taking , switching jobs is not impossible for anyone in their 20-40s , but maybe it is for sven
and maybe that's what he's really saying.