Acid Techno?

[Oracle]

I'm really surprised that a thread with such negative connations would appear on this particular forum.

I don't think that it is fair to generalise and say that Acid Techno people only listen to one thing. The vast majority of people I know who appreciate Acid Techno also listen to many other styles of electronic music (and even more styles outside of dance/electronic to be fair).

People make music for all different reasons and whilst I can appreicate that there are folks who wish to continually push their sound forward and experiment, this does not intrisically make their motivation or their creations more worthy than someone who makes music for people to jump around and have fun to (and vice versa of course!).

There IS no right or wrong motivation when it comes to making music. Just make whatever you like and if you're not feeling a particular style, then why waste energy bitching about it?

[FUSION]

. Bring on da good dj's that can mix it all up and give me a variety of emotions :)

WORD :clap:

[Ginjin]

Acid Techno is still the prime source of my income going out of my wallet. And I cant complain too much about the quality of releases as most are top notch. I will say that I would not mind some releases that break the formula but Like others said, every other techno genre has its formulae. Acid is not the only "techno" that I buy and play as other genres of techno make it into my record bag as well ie: Electro, Breaks, and straight Techno with its plethora of sub genres.
Techno purists can suck on this.......

[dirty_bass]

hmmmm, I started this thread as a little light hearted way of getting the acid tech folk to join in, by poking a joking finger.
I didn`t expect it to turn into some blazing slagging match, calm down kiddies, there`s room enough for all facets of music in this world.
Can`t we interact without getting spikey?

Now on a positive note, can some people in the know please put some audio links and info of some good Acid Tech Releases in the Recommended Releases section of this forum please.

[Sunil]

Now on a positive note, can some people in the know please put some audio links and info of some good Acid Tech Releases in the Recommended Releases section of this forum please.

The best hard Acid Techno (or techno with 303s in it) I've heard recently is by 303 Freak on German label Salpeter. Will suss out links and post it up there now.

[MangaFish]

imo the best label for acid techno is cluster

[ollie303]

why was i quoted before that rant then hennry?

do you think i was slating the acid techno genre or something?

if you think me asking where the attitude had gone was a insult ,think again .i was looking for other acid techno heads to talk on the thread and overcome the purists cussing of it as drug fulled tripe.

[Dabble]

As long as people are still dancing to acid techno then they're is still a place & need for for it in the techno/party world.

[stjohn]

imo the best label for acid techno is cluster

i have a few old cluster tracks...let me see what they are...
Gringo on cluster 36 is one and to be honest i didnt even know/think it was acid techno, but now that i think of it i can see the connection

i never thought of it like that tho...

if i like a tune, i buy it..... simple as that......

i have heard dodgy acid around the place but i would deffo like to hear some good acid releases coz i love that cluster record. it has a menacing tribal feel to it.... which alot of the time, is what i go for.

[Mindful]

Its all bloody techno is it not grrr
why do purist have to slag off acid for being cheesy and uninventive and the acid heads feel this need to assume that a purist is having less fun because they like to get deep into what theyre listening too it winds me up no end.
The fact is its all so varied and its all techno play?make records that you think are good,I f***ing do.

And Pete dont mean to use you as an example but to say you like variation at nights and then curse anyone who plays techno at a acid based night well your starting to sound like an acid techno purist,I take it you have allready written off mine and Seiges set at Hardlife before its even happend.

I will say it again its all techno.If it makes you dance or stimulates your mind then what is the problem?

Why not just play/make whatever pleases you whatever it be?

[ds2]

It seems in purer techno any sound that interferes with the dynamic of the beats is considered poor production...

by who? where do you come up with this rubbish? have the industry boffins been round again?

Pure techno just takes itself way too seriously trying to present itself as the more sophiosticated end of dance music. Well I've got news for you folks... pure techno never was sophisticted, never will be and isn't at the moment despite all the pretentions to the contrary...

again, where do you get this from? do you just make it up as you go along hoping people will believe what you say. feel free to point me to clips of the "pure techno" you listen to cos you're obviously listening to the wrong stuff.

and what's pure techno anyway? seems only acid heads use that phrase or they'll label people who don't like acid techno as purists. we're not purists we just don't like the same music as you. i listen to most electronic music styles. i don't listen to acid techno, trance or hardhouse. why does that make me a purist? if any group of people are purists, and i'm speaking generally, it's the acid crews who'll only listen to records made by henry cullen, pounding grooves, liberators etc. that's not a dig at those producers either before anyone gets the hump. i see it all the time where i work. people come in asking for london produced records and we do get their 12's in quite regular but if we don't have enough and try and point them to similar sounding music made by non "acid/london" producers they won't even listen to it!! ""nah mate, i only buy raw/hydraulix...""
wtf is that all about?

This obession with newness and progress is largely pretentious w*nk...

then all musicians since the beginning of time are pretentious wankers.
the djs you love and often wank over on here are playing alot of new styles, are they pretentious wankers too? if chris liberator dropped a new vogel or ruskin record in his set you'd call him a genius...

..the way acid techno sticks out like a sore thumb when you play it at either a techno or a trance night

yeah, usually for the wrong reasons... :)

In fact I've heard the same non acid shit banged out for half a decade and its just as dull now as it was then.

if you seriously think techno hasn't progressed in the last 5 years then you really haven't been listening at all. next time you're in a record shop ignore the london or schranz section. you may surprise yourself.

i've met you a few times pete, you're a sound guy and pretty funny too but you don't half come out with some crap sometimes. :lol:


also while i'm here i'll apologise for the "drug fuelled" comments of friday night. i'd had a very bad day and chose the wrong time to respond to a post about music i don't like, sorry. i dont think you're all drug monkeys at all, shouldn't have said that but i do dislike acid techno, the new stuff coming out of london is so much better in my "purist" opinion.

[machina]

What the **** is acid techno? I don't think it really has a defined sound anymore but an attitude if anything - here in melbourne we do a club 909 - with itchy which is an "acid" club, but what is generally played is pretty much techno in relatively pure form. Sure it's the london stuff - hydraulix/raw etc. but to me that's not really what the acid "sound" i remember as acid is... i reckon hydraulix releases are pure slamming techno and the only thing that really connects it to the old 303 stuff is Henry's name - i can understand your frustration at being pigeon-holed.
To me acid was hardfloor and tesox and then the harder tweaky smitten stuff and i do think that it has been done to death - but you do hear the odd corker ... the last 2 boys in a bank by chris/lawrie on routemaster is a good example ...

machina

[AcidTrash]

As long as people are still dancing to acid techno then they're is still a place & need for for it in the techno/party world.

EXACTLY!!! :clap: :clap:

[AcidTrash]

Its all bloody techno is it not grrr
why do purist have to slag off acid for being cheesy and uninventive and the acid heads feel this need to assume that a purist is having less fun because they like to get deep into what theyre listening too it winds me up no end.
The fact is its all so varied and its all techno play?make records that you think are good,I f***ing do.

And Pete dont mean to use you as an example but to say you like variation at nights and then curse anyone who plays techno at a acid based night well your starting to sound like an acid techno purist,I take it you have allready written off mine and Seiges set at Hardlife before its even happend.

I will say it again its all techno.If it makes you dance or stimulates your mind then what is the problem?

Why not just play/make whatever pleases you whatever it be?

I think theres room for all of it. I'm not an acid purist by a long shot as any fule kno but sometimes if it's working on a crowd you just have to give into it.

[AcidTrash]

by who? where do you come up with this rubbish? have the industry boffins been round again?

A well known techno producer I respect who shall remain nameless.

again, where do you get this from? do you just make it up as you go along hoping people will believe what you say. feel free to point me to clips of the "pure techno" you listen to cos you're obviously listening to the wrong stuff.

I'm merely going on the way my friends talk about the stuff and I really don't get how it's any more sophisticated. My mate is always banging on about stuff like construct rhythm and andreas kremer and I just don't see how it's that different from cluster style stuff.

and what's pure techno anyway? seems only acid heads use that phrase or they'll label people who don't like acid techno as purists. we're not purists we just don't like the same music as you. i listen to most electronic music styles. i don't listen to acid techno, trance or hardhouse. why does that make me a purist? if any group of people are purists, and i'm speaking generally, it's the acid crews who'll only listen to records made by henry cullen, pounding grooves, liberators etc. that's not a dig at those producers either before anyone gets the hump. i see it all the time where i work. people come in asking for london produced records and we do get their 12's in quite regular but if we don't have enough and try and point them to similar sounding music made by non "acid/london" producers they won't even listen to it!! ""nah mate, i only buy raw/hydraulix...""
wtf is that all about?

My definition of pure techno is the stuff I find in specialist techno shops where I can listen to half the stock and hear virtually exactly the same loop on every one with very little in the way of injected humour, style or drive.

This obession with newness and progress is largely pretentious w*nk...

then all musicians since the beginning of time are pretentious wankers.
the djs you love and often wank over on here are playing alot of new styles, are they pretentious wankers too? if chris liberator dropped a new vogel or ruskin record in his set you'd call him a genius...

Can't argue with that at all.

In fact I've heard the same non acid shit banged out for half a decade and its just as dull now as it was then.

if you seriously think techno hasn't progressed in the last 5 years then you really haven't been listening at all. next time you're in a record shop ignore the london or schranz section. you may surprise yourself.

I've been largely inoring shranz altogether and have only bought 3 records form the london lot in the last 3 months. I was really impressesed with a chris Leibing mix I got recently and have been looking for a particular groove like it but I'm very fussy when it comes to percussive techno.

I want more than just a cleverly spliced loop.

i've met you a few times pete, you're a sound guy and pretty funny too but you don't half come out with some crap sometimes. :lol:

I think most people would agree with that assesment. But it's never quiet after I inject some random bollocks into the conversation.

[AcidTrash]

Bearing in mind I did say "generally speaking" I'm only going on my experience therefore its just my opinion. I just get loads of people trying to convince me that their form of techno is superior and I don't think it's that much different and in many cases a little spiritless. Whenever I play acid it never fails to raise a smile and always gets some asses moving. It could just be the way I play it! ;)

[FUSION]

ahhhhh arnt ya both sweet, i love it when a couple of people i know have heated net discussions, since i enjoy both types of techno your talking about cant make any comment here......... its defo helped my bitch of a comedown and realisation im very very skint though so cheers :lol: :lol: :lol:

[dan the acid man]

its all music at the end of the day.

i started out listening to rithcie hawtin, progressed onto acid techno, and now im loving loads of styles of techno.

[FUSION]

The last pure techno event I went to was probably the most humourless bore ever for this very reason.

i think you should re phrase this mind pete i hope your not talking bout our boys in hull

[AcidTrash]

The last pure techno event I went to was probably the most humourless bore ever for this very reason.

i think you should re phrase this mind pete i hope your not talking bout our boys in hull

Nah, it was intergalactic funk in manchester. Yawnarama from the first beat. Some boring orbit DJ and some other people playing the same loop for ages. Everyone ****ed off before 3am.