Ok guys lets face it.

[Craig McW]

TBH I don't care which way it goes, but I ain;t ripping everything to CD and buying CDJs like those till they become standard in clubs I play at.

I'm considering the final Scratch option, hopefully they got to AIF format soon, then my decision will be made. Till then I'll buy vinyl.

And even after that, I'll buy vinyl.

But hey, my opinion doesn't count for shit really.

[Komplex]

Yes it does Craig. Everyones oppinion counts.

I think the final scratch (and serato) option is the one everyone is forgetting about when mentioning cd's. CD's are just a delivery format. You put the audio from cd's onto your computer into whatever format you want and then mix however you want to. Is that logical or am I dumb or something? The skill and feel of using vinyl doesn't disapear and you can intermix with old vinyl favorites straight off the decks.

[Craig McW]

Greg, that is exactly why I'm considering it. I take the format with me wherever I go, it's easy, and it incorporates vinyl.

Just MP3 is a shitty format.

[gumpy green]

one thing you cant do is

needle dropping.

thats wher you hav stickers on yer record to guid the needle to the excact spot you want. hence droppin it right in where you want. that is an art in itself nevermind what comes after it. i suppose you could do it with cds if you could tell them the excact time to go to but this would take longer than lifting the record and droppin it on...but then again not many techno djs can be arsed learning shit like this

but this is real old skool hip hop stuff and ok u might enjoy doing this and u may do it really really really well, but practically, in a packed, techno club full of ur average punter whose out to have a good time, this is going to go relatively unoticed, unless u are at the top of ur game like someone like Dave Clarke where ur everymove is pretty much under scrutiny during the whole set... it makes sense to put more effort into the basic practicalities of djing such as beatmatching etc which again im sure u do just fine im not questioning any or your's or anyone else's skills for that matter, im a dab hand on the old turntables if i do say so myself but its not the be all and end all where im concerned its whats coming out the speakers at the end of the day....
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no this is not limited to hip hop......its them who(mostely) are doing it but its part of the art of djing....thats my point, not many in techno really want to do anything but blend/mix.....

they seem to forget that thers a pure art form sitting right in front of them.

for me djing aint all about the music, its about the manual skills that you use to "paint your picture". Some set could sound equally as good without tricks and just tunes but then i dont think the dj has been working his art. Same with production, thers tunes that are simple that sound good.

anyway i agree, this topic is really going no wher now....we shall just have to wait and see what the future holds.....hopefully it all.

[eyes without a face]

i didnt say it was limited to hip hop dude, i said it was old hip hop shit... which it is... people using it in techno have developed the idea from seeing the hip hop kids doing, so to feel that its doing something new is not right, because its not, its impressive sure and probably a wikid feeling to pull off, ut its not doing anything to further djing and there are so other many tricks that dont take as much pre-thought i.e putting stickers on ur records, that make the room go off just as well if not more

but i agree this post is going nowhere, im out!

[TechMouse]

one thing you cant do is

needle dropping.

thats wher you hav stickers on yer record to guid the needle to the excact spot you want. hence droppin it right in where you want. that is an art in itself nevermind what comes after it. i suppose you could do it with cds if you could tell them the excact time to go to but this would take longer than lifting the record and droppin it on...but then again not many techno djs can be arsed learning shit like this.

Cue points?

Have you ever actually used a CD deck? Or are you just guessing...

[slavestudios]

this is going to go relatively unoticed, unless u are at the top of ur game like someone like Dave Clarke


HA HA HA HAAAAAA


cds.. if you like em. use em.. if you dont, dont.

but will ppl stop trying to convince everyone else they are right ?

would it kill someone to accept others may feel differently ?


jesus... this argument has been done to death..

GIVE IT UP & GO DO SOMETHING LESS BORING INSTEAD :)

[TechMouse]

As for talk of auto beat matching, I really don't like that idea I have to say, will these contraptions play your set for you as well?!

Mate, you sound almost as if you're actually scared that these computers are gonna come in and steal all your DJ gigs!

Lets be clear: I'm comfortable in the knowledge that there are things I am always going to be better than a computer at doing. Picking the right records, reading the crowd, knowing when to drop the bass back in for maximum effect etc. Whatever your little tricks are, their your little bits of artistic flair, and a machine has no hope in hell of emulating them.

All Steve is saying is that given the knowledge of the relative BPMs of two pieces of music, a computer will be much better at getting them playing at the same speed, and in time - and will do it much faster than anyone here.

Exploit the computer for what it's good at - number crunching (no one expects you to do DSP in your head, do they) - and free up more time for you to do the fun stuff. Unless you find beatmatching fun, in which case go ahead, enjoy.

Ever heard of Jeff Mills?

No, who is he?

[TechMouse]

jesus... this argument has been done to death..

GIVE IT UP & GO DO SOMETHING LESS BORING INSTEAD :)

For sure man, you're right.

It is pointless trying to argue a case of differing opinion... I just think some people have missed the point of what's being said. No one is trying to plead superiority, just acceptance.

[OriginalTechnobastard]

In my humble opinion...

Much though we may try to deny it vinyl is on its way out for the reason illustrated below...



That and pressing tunes is stupidly expensive for producers who give up virtually everything in the way of financial income to make the music we need. This is killing it in my view and this CD deck is the answer to my prayers.

The scene in my view does need a shake up as the same names keep cropping up on flyers and records and it's hard to go to a UK club and not have heard virtually every other track if you have your eye on the ball. Fresh blood is needed and the answer is here.

I've heard some reasonably innovative ideas on how to revive vinyl but technology has finally spoken and it just aint gonna happen. I for one will be purchasing one of the above CD decks because it looks and behaves like a real deck which means I can now play my own tracks and the tracks from some of the excellent unpublished producers from this site.

SO what is needed and I would very much like to see BOA being the vehicle of this is some kind of high quality audio sales system. I would happily spend £2.50 on a single high quality MP3 especially if I knew that money would go to the artist. It's a crying shame that some of the producers on BOA don't see a penny for their effort. After all, you'd pay any other specialist.

I also think given that this CD deck will cause a surge in MP3 usage that producers should definately stop putting whole, uninterupted track up for download. If people want you music enough to download it then they want it enough to pay £2.50 for it. You deserve it, why not ask for it?

Of course this is all subject to debate and just my opinion. I would like to hear your thoughts as to how we might protect what we do. There may well have been a fall in sales of music, accross the board, regardless of genre, however this does not mean there is not still an insatiable demand for it. Let's take what we deserve. Music kit doesn't just buy itself.

Of course the anti-corporate music part of me is screaming in my ear that this music is about freedom and we should just get it out there but there has to be a limit. Being skint is no freedom at all and if DJ's are willing to spend £6 on a record then they'll be delighted to get the same for half the price surely?

The technology inside the CDX1 makes CD's sound every bit as good as vinyl and if tunes are mastered properly (usually the DJ's assessment) then it will sound good whatever. Instead of trying to revive the old market, let's plan on ceasing the next one.

Your thoughts please.

Haven't really been reading all of the messages in this forum but I have a question. Was this message presented for test marketing purposes and or approvals? If so here is a :clap: !
No seriously. If you gonna get it, get it. I might buy one for portability purposes but vinyls sound different then a cd. More authentic so it will always be better

[gumpy green]

one thing you cant do is

needle dropping.

thats wher you hav stickers on yer record to guid the needle to the excact spot you want. hence droppin it right in where you want. that is an art in itself nevermind what comes after it. i suppose you could do it with cds if you could tell them the excact time to go to but this would take longer than lifting the record and droppin it on...but then again not many techno djs can be arsed learning shit like this.

Cue points?

Have you ever actually used a CD deck? Or are you just guessing...

used one yes......... never saw how to get straight to a certian point, say just b4 the break or a certain sample.

hows it done? does the cd player save it drop in points in its memory or summin?

[gumpy green]

GIVE IT UP & GO DO SOMETHING LESS BORING INSTEAD :)

what like work, fuk that id rather skive ;)

hope all is well pete

[TechMouse]

hows it done? does the cd player save it drop in points in its memory or summin?

Yeah, pretty much.

You can save cue & loops points for many, many CDs to the memory of your CD deck. If you've got the higher-end models (CDJ-1000, I think) you can dump these to a flash card which you can stick in the CD decks in the club you're playing at later.

That's just the tip of the iceberg too.

I'm just sitting around waiting for the cost of these things to come down.

[djshiva]

I see its the bi-monthly vinyl vs cd war again... yippee!! Maybe we can all choose opposite sides for arguments sake... :lol:

HAHAHAHA...love it...

[gumpy green]

hows it done? does the cd player save it drop in points in its memory or summin?

Yeah, pretty much.

You can save cue & loops points for many, many CDs to the memory of your CD deck. If you've got the higher-end models (CDJ-1000, I think) you can dump these to a flash card which you can stick in the CD decks in the club you're playing at later.

That's just the tip of the iceberg too.

I'm just sitting around waiting for the cost of these things to come down.

sound fairly good. depending on the size of memory you have that does sound interesting......if you could easily save 500 records data then it would be well good.

still wont be as fun mixin tho, pressing buttons.

i enjoy the manual aspect of it but will keep my eye on the cd dek developments.....may have to add one to the 2 1210's in a yr or 2 if things get better with them.

cant ever see me stopping the vinyl tho......just luv mixin on it, it almost my life ;) as you can tell from my arguments....lol

[djshiva]

or i should say.. i love it too, i'm just happy not to carry it around

have you seen SOS's arms? that doesnt happen carrying around an Ipod.

you should see my neck and shoulder muscles.

hard as a rock. i don't think i can get that kinda workout with cd cases, but hey... :lol:

[gumpy green]

just read the future music review of it at lunch.

thers some things on ther that do take my fancy.....looks a good tool.

[gumpy green]

why cant you edit yer posts....this is a bit anooying sometimes...

anyway- i also see thay have them set out much better, like how i use my decks, at 90degrees, defo a good move, can undertand why folks want deks the "conventional"way it makes them further apart and yer left dek needle is in the way.

[AcidTrash]

That`s a slightly childishly biased opinion.
To imply that you can`t make rapid mixes with CD is a typical comment from someone who fears change, and I know your not like that.
And auto beat matching would be fantastic.
Put in CD, wait a few seconds and BAM, you can mix, and get on with the important business.
Just you you spent years learning to beatmatch, there`s no reason to poo poo a device that would take out the bullshit mechanical process, to give more time for the creative part of mixing.

Change will happen.
Vinyl will not be able to sustain the market.
So when no labels can afford to do vinyl any more, then what do you do?
It won`t happen immediatley, but to think vinyl will just go on forever in some kind of cosy unreality like The Good Life, is very naieve.

Some DJ`s are so up their own arses with their self inportance that they forget people like to hear a tune, rather than a trick or something every 5 seconds, and a billion tunes per hour.
A combination of all styles is the answer, and as with new technology, it needs to be brought into the current situation, because the world is leaping forward, and techno DJ`s are standing still.

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[AcidTrash]

As for talk of auto beat matching, I really don't like that idea I have to say, will these contraptions play your set for you as well?!
.

Come on, lets not get immature here.
Beat matching is a mechanical skill, and is not what mixing is about.
A machine won`t be able to eq for you, or choose the tune, or choose the right place to mix depending on the way the crowd is going, or make little tricks that edge on the tension or whatever.

If you slapped a piece of vinyl straight on the deck and it was in as soon as it hit the platter, imagine how much of a cool mix you could do.

It makes the important part of mixing easy. Lets not pretend here that beatmatching is some amazing feat.

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