All music has come to an end

[crime]

Noticed this in the production forum:

Music has changed
It`s more of a throwaway thing than it has ever been.
There`s nothing left to rebel against, and it never makes a difference anyway, as people know.
There will be cool music, and new music, but I boubt there will ever be another music revolution.
I hope their is, but I`m willing to place 50 quid at a bookies to bet that there will be no music revolutions within the next 10 years.

I've been feeling like this a bit recently, like we're living in the most disposable time ever, we've had the disposable razor, disposable nappies, even the disposable toothbrush. Now we're onto disposable media, particuarly nowdays film and music. Cristian Vogel named his penultimate Tresor album "All music has come to an end", do you think he had already seen it on the horizon?

Maybe I'm just getting older and less naive to the ways of the world..

I want the edge and grit and excitement back

discuss....

[dirty_bass]

Well, if you consider the times we are living in, we have more to stand up and shout "bollox" to than for a long time.
But people just seem to have rolled over and let it wash over them.
New Punk bands aren`t saying anything anymore, they are just image.
There are no spitting, shagging, phuck you all, smash it all up, kill your idols, drunken drug crazed rock n roll stars any more.
It`s all been sanitised.
The only thing we have now, to replace the true anit everything rock star is people like 50 cent
A pimp and gangster who has been shot 9 times, made a lot of money and sold out as soon as the dollars were flashed in front of him.
Not really a rebel against the system.
But a product of the system.

What we need is some good, old fashioned anarchy and rebellion, with a bit of intelligence.
Something with a message above
"sell drugs, make money, kill people, take their money, shag birds, make money, make money, make money, get shot, make money"

Dance music is a little faceless, and lacks any identifiable message.
Most of us are oldies (comparitavely) in this scene, and the kids need a message they can chant and get angry about and agree with.
Dance music isn`t really providing that buzz.

[crime]

The only thing we have now, to replace the true anit everything rock star is people like 50 cent
A pimp and gangster who has been shot 9 times, made a lot of money and sold out as soon as the dollars were flashed in front of him.
Not really a rebel against the system.
But a product of the system.

well, this is it, it's like the slave trade never ended, y'know, if your Young black and american and very lucky, you can rap, have a hummer and be on Cribs too, but at the end of the day it's the big fat white man at the top (i.e. the ceo of whatever major label) who makes the real money...

[Will]

Sounds like a Viper XXL tune! You know what they say, if you want something done you have to do it yourself...

[Will]

Sounds like a Viper XXL tune! You know what they say, if you want something done you have to do it yourself...

[crime]

Well, if you consider the times we are living in, we have more to stand up and shout "bollox" to than for a long time.
But people just seem to have rolled over and let it wash over them.

This is the other problem, there's just too many things to shout about, where do you start? when I was younger it was just fighting for the right to party, travel, live how you want to etc, unfortunately multinational companies and corrupt western regimes have turned the vice so tight that just living is enough of a struggle..

[crime]

Sounds like a Viper XXL tune! You know what they say, if you want something done you have to do it yourself...

???

[Will]

"sell drugs, make money, kill people, take their money, shag birds, make money, make money, make money, get shot, make money"

I meant that sounds like a Viper XXL tune.

[Craig McW]

Unfortunately people today, especially the younger generations, aren't marketing savvy. Victims of advertising, the lot of 'em. Plus, they aren't denied anything, so they have nothing to yearn for. Global communications have made the world smaller, so we know what the next big thing is before it happens, making it unexciting or new. We don't discover anything anymore.... it's given to us in a nice little package with a price tag.

When art becomes a commodity, what's left to admire? When you can have whatever you want, what's left to be passionate about?

[Internal Error Records]

jebus...

what the **** is it with the constant apocolyptic fear that techno and its mediums is gonna get stripped away from everybody.

everybody needs to loosen up, get ****ed up and have a good time.

techno aint dying.

i dont see junglists with a fear that their genre is going away.

[dirty_bass]

jebus...

what the **** is it with the constant apocolyptic fear that techno and its mediums is gonna get stripped away from everybody.

everybody needs to loosen up, get **** up and have a good time.

techno aint dying.

i dont see junglists with a fear that their genre is going away.

Who said anything about techno?
There`s more to life than it alone you know.

[rounser]

Unfortunately people today, especially the younger generations, aren't marketing savvy.

I think Socrates or Plato or someone was complaining about the younger generations lacking values or respect or whatever...not to say you're doing that, but you have to be wary of making such statements about "kids these days" nonetheless. I think that kids these days are more bulletproof to media bollocks than any generation before them, simply because they get bombarded by more of it from a younger age. Or perhaps your point stands because they're getting bombarded with so much marketing from such a young age...?

And as I replied in the production thread, this line:

I boubt there will ever be another music revolution.

...smacks of making the same mistake the head of the patent office in around 1900 made, by claiming that the patent office should be shut down because "everything that could be invented, had been invented." Did anyone predict acid house taking off? I recall the hip hop pioneers being convinced that rap specifically and hip hop in general was just a passing fad, and that it would die out very soon. Who would have predicted that revolution? Or country music taking off for that matter?

[GothamGrooves.com]

Umm for One I think there is plenty to rebel about, now more than ever! The following is from an american stand point..
The problem with with all this technology and communication is that, people are constantly being bombarded with info and we all have to filter a lot of shit out. The result is the masses not giving a shit about what happens in other countries, or about music, or politics etc... They only care about whats being thrown at them. "I read a quote once that said the revolution will be televised" which means many people have become zombies, drones in our society, working their asses of making decent money only to buy a car and spend it on useless wank. This is why we are considered "underground" not because its the cool thing to do, but because we see there is a lot of Bull Shit outside.
Will there be a music revolution? Probably not since its "hip" to be a "punk". But hopefully as technology pushes forward enough kids might say hey, soem of this shit is cool what else is out there? I hate to repeat myself again but it all comes down to exposure, and that exposure is through the media..

[GothamGrooves.com]

[quote="rounser"]

\ I think that kids these days are more bulletproof to media bollocks than any generation before them, simply because they get bombarded by more of it from a younger age.

Quite the opposite, I think thee is soo much they cant see behind it.
So what you have is a pick n choose, do I want coke or pepsi?
ITS the same posion!!

[OriginalTechnobastard]

Well, if you consider the times we are living in, we have more to stand up and shout "bollox" to than for a long time.
But people just seem to have rolled over and let it wash over them.
New Punk bands aren`t saying anything anymore, they are just image.
There are no spitting, shagging, phuck you all, smash it all up, kill your idols, drunken drug crazed rock n roll stars any more.
It`s all been sanitised.
The only thing we have now, to replace the true anit everything rock star is people like 50 cent
A pimp and gangster who has been shot 9 times, made a lot of money and sold out as soon as the dollars were flashed in front of him.
Not really a rebel against the system.
But a product of the system.

What we need is some good, old fashioned anarchy and rebellion, with a bit of intelligence.
Something with a message above
"sell drugs, make money, kill people, take their money, shag birds, make money, make money, make money, get shot, make money"

Dance music is a little faceless, and lacks any identifiable message.
Most of us are oldies (comparitavely) in this scene, and the kids need a message they can chant and get angry about and agree with.
Dance music isn`t really providing that buzz.

Techno is faceless, thats why its a rebel music. Against normal way of things like :clap:

[eyes without a face]

why does change have to be brough on by rebellion? we live in a world were rebellion isnt a new thing and doesnt turn heads like it used to, and as people have stated there's not much left to rebel against, even if u wanted to... which i must say i dont, its not in my nature and id rather take the silent approach and just keep on doing what im doing.... i must say the scaremongering on this site has hit an all time high and i think Joseph used techno as his example because that seems to be the proirity genre here and in these discussions, and i think its safe to say that everyone knows (well those who arent naive enough to admit it) that things are bad at the moment but the only thing it seems people can do at the moment is literaly just keep on writing their music and pushing it, and getting it out there to the labels/people... or at least trying to....

dressing the product up in rebellion with swearing or anti-establishment behaviour or whatever form that rebellion comes in doesnt influence me at all in my honest opinion, and it never did.... for an example i liked some of the Sex Pistols music but ive always hated that whole "we'l do what we want, cos were punks" attitude, which obviously doesnt really apply much these days as id bet my bottom dollar there are not many "real" punk bands left, but im sure some people still adopt this attitude in places and im not sure why i must say.... the one that really gets me are the "goths".... jesus.... this is were image comes over the music for me and thats a bad thing

i am getting a bit tired of all these negative posts about music/techno but this was one that interested me i must say

[eyes without a face]

and techno definatley isnt faceless or a rebel music anymore, with people like Natus and Arkus getting into the German chart's and the fact u can hear techno on radio 1 a few nights a week......

its got a face, just wether or not the face fits with u is a different matter...

[gumpy green]

What we need is some good, old fashioned anarchy and rebellion, with a bit of intelligence.
Something with a message above
"sell drugs, make money, kill people, take their money, shag birds, make money, make money, make money, get shot, make money"

you want kool keith ;)

[rounser]

Hehe, rebellion... :lol:

Puts me in mind of an interview with Bob Geldof where he's talking about how all the young rockers were angry young man types, rebelling against conformity and society....but he pointed out that the thing they were all really rebelling against and which was causing all that angst was not being let into girls. ;)

Where does that leave male-dominated techno genres? Authentic or stoopid? :lol: What are the girls listening to anyway, if it's not techno or dnb (another sausagefest)....funky house?

[soma]

What we need is some good, old fashioned anarchy and rebellion, with a bit of intelligence.

I reckon those squat/warehouse party boys [however messed up that who scene is] are still putting a big V at the authorities and saying bollox to you all. Those have gotta be some of the most rebellious and anarchich situations i've ever been in. sheesh. but at the same time the best parties i've ever been to as well.

The punks of dance music. I was talking to a friends uncle the other day about it all and he said after punk had died away and dance music flourished the natrual progression for him and his friends was techno and throwing these warehouse parties. They're still going now. The old codgers.

;)

I know the parties are rife with dirty drugs and crack heads and i don't go because of this anymore [except maybe new year] i've still got a lot of respect for what they're trying to do out there.