Everyone Has Gone Digital?!

[Internal Error Records]

ok. everyone stop for a second and make sure you acknowldge that -

DISTROS DONT ORDER CD/DIGITAL!!!!!!!!


a label will ship on any format a distro is willing to pay for.


stop pretending a few hundred (or thousand) bedroom digifiles can change an entire industry just because a topic can be bitched about on a forum which is 90% opinion and nearly no facts (10% being filler).

Let's also stop pretending that most of the labels we like are moving 10,000+ pressings. In an "industry" where a run is sometimes as limited as 500-700 pressings, a few hundred bedroom "digifiles" are a significant market factor that should be taken into consideration. .

listen closer!!!!!

LABELS WILL SHIP OUT ANY MEDIUM PAID FOR!!!!
AND OUR LARGEST CUSTOMER DONT ORDER DIGITAL.

come on dude, you are a lawyer. you understand that you cant sell something that isnt getting paid for.

VINYL GETS PAID FOR.


wow, i really abused those caps. sorry for screaming. lol

[dirty_bass]

we need to incite change before vinyl doesn`t sell any more.

[Internal Error Records]

we need to incite change before vinyl doesn`t sell any more.

i think i see the breakdown in the communication here.

unless i am wrong... you are saying 'vinyl is doomed anyways, so all you vinyl lovers give it up and move into the new medium'

i dont understand this - i mean, explain it to me... why do digiheads care what vinyl lovers use?

digiheads seem to have a nazi-esque obcession with stamping out vinyl.

i love vinyl. i will never stop using it. and i will produce it as long as it sells.

[dirty_bass]

there`s no mis communication on my part.
I love binyl too.
But things have to change, do you honestly think it will go on forever.
At some point sales will drop enough where other mediums have to be considered, and the old and the new will run parallel until vinyl slowly wanes.

It won`t (hopefully) happen too quickly, but it will happen.

I don`t want to be like the people who said "oh the internet, that`ll never work, just a gimmick"

[Internal Error Records]

there`s no mis communication on my part.
I love binyl too.
But things have to change, do you honestly think it will go on forever.

lol. dood.
vinyl should have died 30 years ago. it didn't. in fact techno exploded onto vinyl at the same time cd's took over the music world. that should tell you something.

the digi-nazi's are turning this forum into a playground of bullies picking fights just to hear themselves proclaim the inevitable.

and for what? its just being rude.

leave the vinyl lovers in peace.

[Komplex]

leave the vinyl lovers in peace.

and vice versa...

[tocsin]

listen closer!!!!!
LABELS WILL SHIP OUT ANY MEDIUM PAID FOR!!!!
AND OUR LARGEST CUSTOMER DONT ORDER DIGITAL.
come on dude, you are a lawyer. you understand that you cant sell something that isnt getting paid for.
VINYL GETS PAID FOR.
wow, i really abused those caps. sorry for screaming. lol

Then maybe you should find a different distributor. I can only speak from my own experience. As an artist, the most sales occurred for tracks that I worked on which came out on CD. As far as the bedroom digifile is concerned, you don't need a distributor for them. That's the beauty of it. You can cut that middleman right out. That middleman is what annoys so many of the bedroom digifiles anyways. Jump on Soulseek and see if any of your releases are floating around in full. If they are, I don't see what you have to lose through selling MP3 off of a webpage.

[schlongfingers]

Yeah of course distributors don't order digital files, that would be bizarre - why would shops stock MP3's?

[Heroes]

15 months ago the main problem was getting the raw vinyl to press with as it was so in demand, so i dont think its doing so bad as a media format, you have to also take into consideration that we have like another 10 new EU state members from such counties as the Czech Republic, Estonia, Hungary, Latvia, Lithuania, Malta, Poland, Slovakia and Slovenia. Ive played almost all these countries and i consider them really important, they love there vinyl even when shipping and import costs made the records so expensive, if we can get proper distribution into these areas then its looking good again i think. I mean the future is digital iam sure to a degree, or are we just caught up in a disposable revolution that wants "new new new" i for one am fed up of the speed of stuff, cd, md, dvd, dual dvd, hd umd, what next, Theres a nice exclusivity with vinyl that you can control and as a label owner i find it a bigger turn on than Jordan "not Michael Jordan" turning up on my doorstep with a truck full or jelly singing happy birhday to you.... To make some nice limited releases is always a nice concept and all that will be gone, however it may be the dawning of new concepts, personally i cant see it. the positives i guess are no production costs for the label and a lot more producer freedom, but i think the biggest challenge is piracy, sony tried with cds when the burners 1st hit the market, but distributors advised against it because they were getting so many returns because of problems with cd players not recognising the discs.

cant wait for china to turn into techno heads, 1 billion souls to convert to the wax....

[audioinjection]

15 months ago the main problem was getting the raw vinyl to press with as it was so in demand, so i dont think its doing so bad as a media format, you have to also take into consideration that we have like another 10 new EU state members from such counties as the Czech Republic, Estonia, Hungary, Latvia, Lithuania, Malta, Poland, Slovakia and Slovenia. Ive played almost all these countries and i consider them really important, they love there vinyl even when shipping and import costs made the records so expensive, if we can get proper distribution into these areas then its looking good again i think. I mean the future is digital iam sure to a degree, or are we just caught up in a disposable revolution that wants "new new new" i for one am fed up of the speed of stuff, cd, md, dvd, dual dvd, hd umd, what next, Theres a nice exclusivity with vinyl that you can control and as a label owner i find it a bigger turn on than Jordan "not Michael Jordan" turning up on my doorstep with a truck full or jelly singing happy birhday to you.... To make some nice limited releases is always a nice concept and all that will be gone, however it may be the dawning of new concepts, personally i cant see it. the positives i guess are no production costs for the label and a lot more producer freedom, but i think the biggest challenge is piracy, sony tried with cds when the burners 1st hit the market, but distributors advised against it because they were getting so many returns because of problems with cd players not recognising the discs.

cant wait for china to turn into techno heads, 1 billion souls to convert to the wax....

hell yeah dude

[Internal Error Records]

you also have to look at what that $1,500 for a pressing buys you.

that 1,500 not only buys you 500 pressings, but it buys you a shit load of promotion and marketing. the vinyl industry is self advertising via all the steps of the process.


$1,500 for marketing will never very bring 500 sales to your digital medium.

before you yes yes it will. prove it. QUOTE your source.

[Heroes]

And how pissed would ya be if all ya bought media got deleted by mistake, or ya suffered a crash, But before we get "the well back it up" reply, its always easier said than done, i for one just never get around to backing stuff up, bad but true, i guess iam not the only one. Also i like to thought of the physical media so i can apreciate the effort and see what ive purchased, more than "jeffmills_thebells.wav". Also rememeber theres t least some sort of resell value to the physical media. i mean this unprotected digital format is a great ground for sub illegal distribution. i for one am not really into it, it would work if everyone respected it, i for one would as i believe thats truly the only way forward, i run very very very few cracks maybe like 1 to 2% and they are only the ones i cant justify the price off, if i find something i use it to test it then if i think its worth the price tag and they look like they are pushing boundries in there technology i buy to support it. this is the only way digital media of anytype will truly work. they need to profit like anything to give them the means to carry on..

[dan the acid man]

no, your not the only one that doesnt always back stuff up

[crime]

cant wait for china to turn into techno heads, 1 billion souls to convert to the wax....

what I'm weathering the storm for...

[Sunil]

Also i like to thought of the physical media so i can apreciate the effort and see what ive purchased, more than "jeffmills_thebells.wav"..

Exactly.

Vinyl's going no-where, it's just slowing down a bit now. As long as vinyl is being produced in some shape or form then it's cool, it's not like Rolling Stones re-issue LPs won't be selling in 10 years time, so why wouldn't dance music vinyl not be selling either?

[Internal Error Records]

also, like i was hitting on before.

its impossible to afforably market digital media. (mp3's)

i would rather spent $1800 to release an artists record, and know that 700 copies have been bought by fans than spend $0 on a project and hope 20 people download it.

the more intelligent thought that goes into this the more it proves digital has the efficient appeal of technology but very little impact on an industry.

another minus to digital is the upkeep and maintence of a website. with vinyl you just drop it on the world and it circulates in a week or two. not the slow dribble of downloads over months.

[dirty_bass]

that`s why digital needs a physical medium, and a package.
Hence CD
Downloads aren`t the way.
But vinyl isn`t the only way either.

[Internal Error Records]

that`s why digital needs a physical medium, and a package.
Hence CD
Downloads aren`t the way.
But vinyl isn`t the only way either.

uggg.. i can't believe im agreeing with you :-)

but the numbers i am eyeballing support cd's.

(other than the current industry thinking and consumer demand)

[tocsin]

Is there some reason why you need to limit releases to one medium? This is what I find inherently bullshit about the "prove it" comments. Sell records, sell CDs and sell MP3s. If you can find mp3s of your releases floating around, there is your proff that there is a demand for mp3s of your label's music. You can give it a whirl or, like so many others, you can play catch up when other labels have established such a practice and become a go to point for other people looking to do the same.

[Sunil]

that`s why digital needs a physical medium, and a package.
Hence CD
Downloads aren`t the way.
But vinyl isn`t the only way either.

Indeed, but CDs are already here, how can they be re-packaged in such as way to make them sellable again? Offer albums at single prices? Include mpegs on the discs, or free posters/ key rings?? :) A few fancy CD decks on the market won't create a massive demand for CDs to be sold by labels. Most people who now use exclusively CDs will be as happy to download from the web, esp. if .wavs for download come into operation.

Maybe there is room for everything, there's no reason why not, but the laws really have to get tough on file sharing/illegal downloading.