Skull Tunes\Boris S.\Overdoxx\Greg Silver

**MikeDust** · 02-06-2003, 10:36 PM

Thanks Mark!

i agree 100% - so let's stop this here! i just wanted to say a few words, dunno why i did this here, there are many other boards where the people talking about skull tunes. so i'm quiet now. but i'd like to stay in your board and talk with people in other threads!

No Amok, i will not register on your board. if you wanna talk, contact me via ICQ.

mike

**DJAmok** · 02-06-2003, 10:43 PM

edit - whops too posts too late, forget about it, we will discuss this or not, we´ll see

To all the rest:
Measure this matter up to your moral and ethical values and act accordingly, you know what happened now, and you are free to your own opinion.

Amok out

**MARKEG** · 02-06-2003, 10:59 PM

thanx guys... let's leave any slagging at that. please try to sort this out though if you can. really. it's doing no-one any favours and it's just wasting all of our aggressive energy that we could all be putting into making techno records!!!

:!:

BTW I've deleted three of the post here on request - one by Mike and two by Amok, because Mike's post was posted before he saw what i'd written about not fighting and the next post by Amok commented on that (which wasn't really fair)... and then the last post by Amok looked like he had no reason to say what he said. PHEW! What a head f**k!!! hehehe... Hope I've done the right thing there guys

**DJ Corbzy** · 02-06-2003, 11:03 PM

yeynit

**Sven Wittekind** · 02-06-2003, 11:41 PM

okay guys, you wanted to talk, here´s your second chance. my offer is:

you apologise for stealing my loops and never again use anything from one of my records and in return I will stop calling for a boycot of your records. as will amok and all of my friends. plus we will edit our posts on all boards. This means an end of shit talk on both sides, yours too. it´s the best I can offer and if you furtheron wish to sell your records in good numbers and to end this conflict, then I urge you to take this chance now. contact me

**DJ Corbzy** · 03-06-2003, 12:02 AM

come on boys...sort it out. :)

**MARKEG** · 03-06-2003, 12:49 AM

yeah nice one for stepping up and saying that sven. it is really important that this gets sorted guys.... we don't need this. it's wasted energy. my advice is: sven -crack on with making some even better tracks :) greg/boris - contact sven if you did sample - he does deserve an apology if that is the case - surely?

i dunno. i'm just trying to smooth things over.... we're all in this cause we love it at the end of the day.. ?!?!!

**Methodixxx** · 03-06-2003, 02:14 AM

Your an everday diplomat aren't you Mark..? heehee...

Well handled and I hope this matter gets sorted without the bloodshed!

Keep the techno flourishing boys!

**gunjack** · 03-06-2003, 03:25 AM

sorry, i gotta step in, @skulltunes crew:

i have heard most of the records in question and guess what? your tunes are an OBVIOUS rip off of sven's (etc.) tracks. no effort to disguise the fact that you stole the grooves from other people, and no effort whatsoever to acknowledge the original artist!!! if you like the work of these artists enough to use their loops, why the hell dont you include some sort of shout out or mention of the source material? THIS IS WHAT MAKES YOU THIEVES. then, here on this board with sven and amok and the boys all present and accounted for, you had a chance to express your fondess for the work of the artists you USED and maybe explain that you liked the music so much that you had to use it in a "tribute" or whatever.... but you didnt. which says to me, and anyone with half a brain, that you are not using these pieces of music in some some sort of loving tribute or out of respect, you are trying to pass another artists work off as your own, because you don't have the skills to be inpired by their work and make something original, but on the same vibe or whatever.

your defensive and arguementative posts are reprehensible at best. were i in your position, my first post in response to all of this would have been to explain my point of view, but you didn't even have enough respect for folks to do that much.

even if you do contact and apologise to sven, my crew and i will never buy or play or supprt skulltunes record after this. and if ben and i ever saw you on the street, it would be tough to restrain ourselves i am sure. if you had taken a gunjack loop instead of a sven loop, you had better believe this fiasco would have been a bit more severe.

in conclusion i would like to say: making hard techno is not the most difficult thing in the world, if you are going to take the time to chop and sync loops from someones tracks, why not just open reason and make some new loops on your own? this sort of lazy underhandedness is disgusting and is one of the reasons techno will never be truly recognized as the fine art form it should be.

Brian Gibbs
AKA Gunjack - Deafmosaic

**Greg Silver** · 03-06-2003, 11:52 AM

okay, here is my last personal statement to this:

to brian: it´s your opinion, i have mine. and i definitively do not go into threats.

to amok: u had nothing to to with this shit, besides sven is a friend of yours. you called our whole team and our artists "mother****ers", "dick suckers" and lots more. sorry, no more words to leave. take care of your own things.

to sven (the only man who regards this thing!): i liked u very much, also your work and you have signed a real good record deal on skull tunes. so we were partners and i expected a conversation like it is usual in partnerships. we never consiously used any parts of your tracks. like "death on a stick" wrote before, you can get loops at every corner of the web and nobody knows them all.
i asked via robert natus several times to talk with you, tried to get u on the phone, tried via icq but you denied and spread bad words about us all over the boards. you have my number, give me a call if u like or let it be. otherwise i dont feel like to talk with you anymore.

**Sven Wittekind** · 03-06-2003, 12:01 PM

i think you didn´t read my post :?:

:arrow: here again:
okay guys, you wanted to talk, here´s your second chance. my offer is:

you apologise for stealing my loops and never again use anything from one of my records and in return I will stop calling for a boycot of your records. as will amok and all of my friends. plus we will edit our posts on all boards. This means an end of shit talk on both sides, yours too. it´s the best I can offer and if you furtheron wish to sell your records in good numbers and to end this conflict, then I urge you to take this chance now. contact me

**Buttman** · 03-06-2003, 12:45 PM

Whatever happened to good old fist fights? Violence solves everything.

**death on a stick** · 03-06-2003, 01:07 PM

this soup is nasty. cabbage and bacon.

**MARKEG** · 03-06-2003, 01:10 PM

it seems to me like greg's official line on this is:

'we never consiously used any parts of your tracks. like "death on a stick" wrote before, you can get loops at every corner of the web and nobody knows them all.'

i think therefore, we have a stalemate situation...

should i close the post :?:

**DJ Corbzy** · 03-06-2003, 01:19 PM

I think that would be a good idea.

Let them suss it out by themselves, without otheres instigating the situation.

**Sven Wittekind** · 03-06-2003, 01:26 PM

i don't think it makes sense to continue

they don't want to apologize...

there's 4 pages in this thread and they are still denying responsibility.

**gunjack** · 03-06-2003, 01:33 PM

Originally Posted by Greg Silver

okay, here is my last personal statement to this:

to brian: it´s your opinion, i have mine. and i definitively do not go into threats.

did i threaten you? if i did threaten you bro, you would know it. now as far as this whole thing is concerned, i stepped in because i couldnt keep quiet after reading your bullshit excuses like:

Originally Posted by Greg Silver

to sven: we never consiously used any parts of your tracks.

click for a sample of svens original track

now click here and wait til after the breakdown and hear how they ripped him off (undeniably)

Originally Posted by DJ Amok

Another funny example was a Track by Overdoxx which consisted of Sven Wittekind Loop from OVER 138 + Sven Wittekind Loop from Highball 008 + stolen Vocals from Razzia 02.

so here it is mate, you obviously ripped off an artist who is a friend of my friends, that means you made lotsa enemies in one foul swoop. you could have resolved all of this by issuing a heartfelt explaination publicly, but now you have decided to play nixon, so i am letting you know - your records will be boycotted and everytime anyone brings up your label in conversation they will hear the story as i know it "theese fools ripped off some friends, and denied it even after being caught red handed."

i am not making a threat, but if you pulled this shiot back where i am from: you would catch a hot one.

**Esox Lucius** · 03-06-2003, 02:00 PM

Originally Posted by death on a stick

this soup is nasty. cabbage and bacon.

doesn`t sound very nice, this duck & hoi sin wrap is lovely though :D

**Esox Lucius** · 03-06-2003, 02:08 PM

I have been looking up greg silver on the internet and all i can find is this picture!

**DJ Corbzy** · 03-06-2003, 02:11 PM

Techfunk, that was out of order.

I think this has gone too far now, no need to go into personal insults and stuff.

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