Skull Tunes\Boris S.\Overdoxx\Greg Silver

[Sven Wittekind]

Sven, how do I get on your mailing list..? I am loving your tunes at the moment more than ever! Don't let these bastards get to you man, kick their asses with your tracks!

for my mailing list u have to go to : http://www.svenwittekind.com

on the frontpage u must fill in your email adress then click "anmelden" sorry its in german hrhr i will change this the next days ... and thx for your support !!! and all others out there ! :thumbs up:

[Sven Wittekind]

One big question though, how did they think they would get away with it? :x

It's not as though no-one would notice that they sound the same? :?

the problem here is that not much can be done on the legal side of things. you can TRY to sue them, but it will cost a lot of time and money, something most of us do not have alot of! also the problem of borders.... for example if this company were located in estonia, where international copyright laws are very loose, there is not much you can do. my advice would be to organize a boycott and maybe kick some assess and crack some skulls if you have too. if they ever took a gunjack loop, i would be on their doorstep with some large gentlemen to pound some sense into the kids.

yea gunjack , it´s true - the way to change something is hard ...

but what I want is : Everybody must know what this guys do , everybody must hate this guys for the shit they do ...

I only want that they know , they don´t have positiv feedback for their ****in work.
Every Club must know it (no bookings anymore) , every label (no releases anymore) and every dj (no sales anymore) ... so they have no chance to stay in our tekkno bizz !

i will do ALL to stop this guys fukkin loopstealers :!:

[Skarabex]

arghhhhhh I knew it was something familiar in these tracks!!!

too bad to hear that, I liked the tracks a lot, but now....grrrr my oppinion changed!!!

STEALING SUXXXXXXXXXXX!!!!

keep up the good work Wittekind, Wilson, Skoog, Varela, Speedy etc...

[MARKEG]

it's very important these guys reply to this... i will phone them tomorrow (i have their number)....

but let's all keep as much of an open mind as we can?!?????

[gunjack]

k

[TripleX]

it's very important these guys reply to this... i will phone them tomorrow (i have their number)....

but let's all keep as much of an open mind as we can?!?????

i would like to know what they gotta say, please post it mark

[Greg Silver]

the only statement we can give is, that we are in the music biz for over 12 years now and still working. our artists are happy, our license partners too. if u think something is stolen, contact us personally or let it be. if you have personal problems with phonecalls or direct speech, just send us a mail. we will help u.

we won´t reply on any childish postings in boards or on homepages. the time can be used better. the only reason why i do this here is because mark is a good matey of mine and a good business partner.

cheers!

[Sven Wittekind]

i get an msg that i should look in here cuz greg silver posted something.

he didn't post much because i think he cannot deny it. :roll:
... be happy with your stolen tunes :!:

i will not reply to this topic any more...

go back to your roots and do some trance :lol:

[Buttman]

go back to your roots and do some trance :lol:

Hahaha spot on!

[DJ Corbzy]

HEY! Whats wrong with Trance! :cry:

[Esox Lucius]

eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeerm what`s right with it? :lol: (only jokin)

[DJ Corbzy]

:lol:

[TripleX]

:lol:

[death on a stick]

so do you lot all think that the people behind the User label are all cunts too? Just interested as they seem to be the sort of fodder that goes down well here.

I know nothing of the music that's being spoken of here but it's not important really. Some people don't like being sampled and others don't give a f.uck. Personally I've heard samples from my records on several others and I take it as a compliment as long as it's used to make decent music and not stuck in a piece of shit. Also, I find it hilarious that someone could say there are no samples of their stuff on the internet...of course there are...haven't you logged on to soulseek at any time? The only way your stuff isn't on there is if it's so bad nobody wants to hear it, which I suppose is a possibility.

[TripleX]

the only statement we can give is, that we are in the music biz for over 12 years now and still working. our artists are happy, our license partners too. if u think something is stolen, contact us personally or let it be. cheers!

12years in the bizz doesn´t justify stealing others people´s work, bro...
:roll: ,

[DJAmok]

Nothing against sampling, nothing against remixing (as long as you give credit to the original Artist) but what Greg Silver and Boris S. can no longer be called sampling! If they had changed the loops, okay, I wouldn´t mind, but they really composed close to nothing themselves. Taking other people´s tracks and basically just doing some filtering and adding a synth is nothing anyone in his right mind would want to support.

They are thieves, they have no talent for techno whatsoever, and even though tthey steal the best loops out there, they still only come up with crap. Been in the Music business for 12 years and still can´t make yer own drumloops? Man, you suck big time!! Ya probably suck each others dicks all day, instead of spending yer time sensibly, like learning how to make some real music and not just putting a trancy synthline over someone else's song!

I´m joining the boycott! There are more than enough talented and creative newcomers out there; so who needs these stealing little punks when you´ve got Wittekind, OBI, Kvitta, Arkus P, etc ?

[MikeDust]

hi guys!

my 2 cents to this!

first of all, i have nothing to do with this release, i'm only an artist @ skull tunes.

but what you guys say, especially you, dj amok is not nice, really. u wanna fight greg & boris & overdoXX? well, that's okay for me then. but u call both of them, and ME, stupid muther****ers, pimps, assholes and so on.... (on a other board, i saved it all)

are you crazy? who the hell do you think you are? who or what gives you the right to call me something like that?

believe me, u said the wrong words to the wrong person.

why do you fight the other artists, including me, on skull tunes? i'm really happy to be an artist on skull tunes, without them i had never ever had the chance to mix 2 of the "schranz total" compilations, this is something special for every dj on this ****ed up world. is there not enough war in this world? why do we have to fight each other too? why can't we just talk about it? i heard they have tried to talk with sven, but sven did not wanted to talk about, he wanted to start a fight.


bye bye
mike

ps: yes, i use sample-cd's! why not? i pay big money for it, why not use them?

[DJAmok]

but what you guys say, especially you, dj amok is not nice, really. u wanna fight greg & boris & overdoXX? well, that's okay for me then. but u call both of them, and ME, stupid ****, pimps, assholes and so on.... (on a other board, i saved it all)

You have yet to show me where I insulted YOU specifically, and not along with the rest of Skulltunes. Hell you even had two tracks on Skt 04 where I didn´t hear another persons record (but I did hear a Speedy J Loop on A1) And I didn´t bitch at Krämer or Sascha Müller either, I respect them and they did nothing wrong. So far I pretty much concentrated on Boris and Greg, because they stole from Sven, and I´ll keep on doing so, unless they officially apologize to each and every artist they ripped off on their homepages and on their next records. And since this is unlikely to happen, I won´t stop, nor will all the others. So don´t get yerself worked up too badly, I´m pretty sure I didn´t call you a pimp.

are you crazy?

Yes. But I am honest.

believe me, u said the wrong words to the wrong person.

Is this a threat? Bring it on!

why do you fight the other artists, including me, on skull tunes?

I was keeping you out of it, and I´m not fighting the rest, I´m boycotting them and spreading the word, just like everyone else. I want people to realize who they are giving their money too, and how little effort these people put into making their music and especially that the money would be better invested in the original works. This is why.

i'm really happy to be an artist on skull tunes, without them i had never ever had the chance to mix 2 of the "schranz total" compilations, this is something special for every dj on this **** up world. is there not enough war in this world? why do we have to fight each other too? why can't we just talk about it? i heard they have tried to talk with sven, but sven did not wanted to talk about, he wanted to start a fight.

ps: yes, i use sample-cd's! why not? i pay big money for it, why not use them?

I don´t care about war in this world and I don´t care about compilations. What I care about right now is my friend Sven being ripped off for a total of 3 ****ing times by skulltunes artists (and yes I have each and every track) who appearantly are not capable of composing decent music themselves and this shit pisses me off! And don´t give me this crap about them wanting to talk to Sven, I read the messages and it was nothing but bullshit, they were trying to rip him off again. Well it ain´t happenin, they got themselves in this shit by their own stupidity and I´ll be anxious to see how they get out of this mess.

As for you Mike, I´d advise you to keep away from Skulltunes and look for other labels, and take your friends mistake as a warning a Glenn Wilson, Sven Wittekind, Patrik Skoog etc Record is NOT a Sample CD.

[MARKEG]

right right right listen guys calm the f**k down. nothings getting sorted, nothing's getting achieved by going down this fight route. in fact how bloody pathetic behind a computer screen. i've seen this type of thing on other boards and we're not going to have that here. no way baby.

let's try and be a little more sensible about this.

greg silver, respex for coming on the board and saying your bit. sure if someone's got a serious problem with you re: sampling i think that they should take it up directly with you. there's too much slagging going on via message boards for sure when no one really gets to see what's been written about them. sven - get in touch with greg and let's get this sorted mate. greg - come on - do the same man :)

mike dust. respex to you to for coming on board too and explaining things a little more technically. nice one. there certainly is nothing wrong with sample cd's. but do you sample directly from other people's records?. if you do, come clean and explain why???? if you don't then you don't. fair play....

amok - let's just leave the fighting to those concerned to sort out eh? i appreciate you're sticking up for sven - i think we all want to get this sorted for his and gregs sake - but posting this on here is not going to get it sorted.

let's try to steer well clear of the personal insults here. i think the issue is whether or not it is ethical to sample. or does it matter? some good points have been raised here.

i've heard at least three things over the last six months that directly sample our own records. but i haven't really got a problem with it. in fact, i take it as a compliment. god how many time have we heard jeff mills sampled by totally credible artists but we never hear people slagging them off do we?

i think sampling is a necessity these days. chrissi and i used to sample loads of other people's records because we couldn't seem to get that 'techno' feel in our tracks without doing it. we'd change them slighly for sure but when we started to release more we wanted to create something completely of our own. so we stopped doing it. it was without doubt an important part of the creative process for us.

there's the arguement that sampling other people's records is just not techno and i would agree - straight sampling with no attempt whatsoever to change or slightly mangle the loop is not really what techno originally stood for (and does stand for).

please guys, behave yourselves and lets be sensible about this

[DJ Corbzy]

Wow! People are really getting angry here!!

As being part of the earlier argument here, with myself having a small tussle with Mr Adverse (which is completely sorted now and he is a sound as bloke) I have been following this thread since it began. I can fully understand everyones arguments, but I feel that the artists, Greg Silver and Boris S and Overdoxx have done wrong, if they havent altered the loops without consulting the original artists or so what, then this is wrong, but I think too much a fuss has been kicked up about this, as Mark pointed out, I believe the people involved should get into contact and suss this out, for we are all in it for the music, come to an agreement and leave it at that.

Corbz