toscin, i got on to emagic tec support about the crashes. and it all started with kontakt when i was just using hardware and logic to sequnenc it it was fine no crashes. just had a timimg issue where my tb would go out of time. then got sent a arrange so that my ports were set on my amt8 1 2 3 and so on. and that sorted for a wile anyway then put kontakt on. and the crashes started. so i updated it which was supposed to sort it. put about 4- 5 nu plugins on at weekend and it started crashing well bad. emagic tec supported said move the plungin componets to the desk top and go thru them opening logic to see which is causing the crashes. anyway got few on the desktop then my computer fuct up. its gone off now to the shop and just heard from then and the harddrive was fukt. it should be home in a week all fixed. think i put to many plugins init or somthing