All music has come to an end

[The Divide]

Is the world in some kind of post millenial depression or something?

Could be! When you think about it the millennia is meaningless anyways. All it signifies is 2000 years since the time when someone decided to start Gregorian time. Perhaps in the back of our minds we thought everything was going to go more futurist. Mind you it is in a way

hmmm well maybe not :lol: . Im having my millennia on 2012 because im a bigger fan of Mayan time myself

Anyways back to the revolution...

[The Divide]

Maybe this because of exhaustive corporate capitalisation on everything we can possibly think about. You know like everything is fake, manufactured, overdone. Like we are living on a Hollywood movie set. Nothing feels new

Ide say if there’s going to be another revolution it’s probably going to be some kind of backlash against all the bullshit we are surrounded in. But the problem with that is that it could what’s holding together our present day society and its undoing could lead to the unknown.

And by that time people start doing things that the law will have you arrested under new anti-terror laws :lol:

[detfella]

Maybe this because of exhaustive corporate capitalisation on everything we can possibly think about. You know like everything is fake, manufactured, overdone. Like we are living on a Hollywood movie set. Nothing feels new

Ide say if there’s going to be another revolution it’s probably going to be some kind of backlash against all the bullshit we are surrounded in. But the problem with that is that it could what’s holding together our present day society and its undoing could lead to the unknown.

And by that time people start doing things that the law will have you arrested under new anti-terror laws :lol:

i was listening to program that was saying that humans have created a world in which we find it hard to adapt to, instead of developing things that are already known to us by way of nature.

they are now wanting to commercially develop programmable matter. so that wall in your living room can be programmed to have a huge stain glass window or a moving window to follow the sun.

we are destined to live amongst the machines, well that is until 06.06.06 :lol:

[SlavikSvensk]

here's some food for thought...

...maybe music-based subcultures are never as revolutionary as we think when we are young, idealistic, and naive...but are, rather, an expression of the world around them...

[fresh_an_funky_design]

jebus...

what the **** is it with the constant apocolyptic fear that techno and its mediums is gonna get stripped away from everybody.

everybody needs to loosen up, get **** up and have a good time.

techno aint dying.

i dont see junglists with a fear that their genre is going away.

i agree with you here, everyone seems to be bothered about this that an everything else. If life is that shit then you really need to get down to your next techno night an have a good old stomp to some pounding beats, an don't give a **** if its a loopy techno or ifits not hard enuf or deep enuf. Just ****ing dance an enjoy yourself.

[Evil G]

i'll have to agree with crime and db.

we do have more to rebel against than ever, but when i look around, i don't see the same level of activism, of protest, of *caring* for the world that i saw 15-20 years ago. it's as if the environmentalists have lost. the peace-niks have lost. social justice movements have lost. the machine grinds on. we are burning more fuel than ever before, despite the fact we've known we needed to cut down for decades already. unjust wars are being waged. new, more powerful weapons are being developed when we already have more than enough to destroy the world.

the only people fighting the good fight anymore are those too ignorant and uneducated to realize that it is a losing battle. for the majority of people, reality is simply too ugly and depressing to face, and the powers that be are too strong to fight, so they are giving up, turning off, and trying to get their piece of the pie before there is none left.

how many years ago did REM sing "it's the end of the world as we know it, and i feel fine."?

[Joseph Isaac]

You hit on a somewhat good point about the mainstream inroads. Now, think about what they all had.... vocals.

Man, i was just having this discussion with Markus Alan last week! I was talking about how i want to start adding vocals to techno-inspired tracks. Not a new concept, but something i find interesting and may be the key to bridging the gap...Excellent point.

[Joseph Isaac]

Not so surprisingly, friends of mine who do not like techno at all liked those tracks, bought some albums and would even come out to party with me every now and then.

Exactly my point!

[xfive]

I don't think adding vocals is necessarily going to help anything... it may attract a few more people who may have been too closed minded at first to listen to purely instrumental techno... but if you think about it.. how many popular genres are largely instrumental?
A LOT of jazz... classical.... etc.. you don't see them worrying about losing a listener base or anything because fact of the matter is its just flat out small to begin with.

I think we should just realize that this type of music is only going to attract certain people, and we should concentrate on getting the people we know that like this stuff to stop making excuses and come out to the parties, instead of trying to make up reasons as to why more people aren't getting interested in it. Did all those people who were into the scene years back just vanish??? Do they not like techno anymore?? I doubt it.... they just got bored of the parties... same old thing over an over..
I think if we can get people out of the woodworks who already like it, and have them then drag their oblivious friends with them..... who knows what will happen... they just might end up liking it. BUT
These experiences have to be presented in a proper format... If you take someone to their first techno night you will need to BLOW their minds...... can't just have some tiny dark pub/club with some lame-o lighting and some shitty speakers.... only the diehards will come out for that ... if even...

This means better promotions, better parties, better vibe... better format all around.

That's what got me into techno after all.... not accessiblity.

[dirty_bass]

Yes this is true, but at the same time, any scene needs youth to keep it alive.

"Give us your children"
hehe

[xfive]

hahah

Yeah no doubt... but music takes time to grow on people.. and if their first experience sucks ass... they will likely attribute the music to being the same... give them a reason to come back, and they'll start diggin it.

[j_s]

New Punk bands aren`t saying anything anymore, they are just image.
There are no spitting, shagging, phuck you all, smash it all up, kill your idols, drunken drug crazed rock n roll stars any more.
It`s all been sanitised.
The only thing we have now, to replace the true anit everything rock star is people like 50 cent
A pimp and gangster who has been shot 9 times, made a lot of money and sold out as soon as the dollars were flashed in front of him.
Not really a rebel against the system.
But a product of the system.

What we need is some good, old fashioned anarchy and rebellion, with a bit of intelligence.
Something with a message above
"sell drugs, make money, kill people, take their money, shag birds, make money, make money, make money, get shot, make money"

.

grime? still very much based around macho attitude & the bollocks that goes with it (though not exlusively) , but it seems a lot more real & down to earth than the US based stuff. the music itself sounds quite fresh to me, too...

[dirty_bass]

I dunno about grime.
Sounds to me like old monoid stuff and rush and landstrumm.
I wouldn`t really say it`s all that fresh

[tocsin]

the only people fighting the good fight anymore are those too ignorant and uneducated to realize that it is a losing battle. for the majority of people, reality is simply too ugly and depressing to face, and the powers that be are too strong to fight, so they are giving up, turning off, and trying to get their piece of the pie before there is none left.

Man, I really hope this isn't the case. This is def a tangent, but, it's way too early to say that it's a losing battle. Look at how far humanity has progressed by fighting oppression in just the past couple hundred years. It's not that it's a losing battle. It's that we have a long way to go before reaching a truly just and fair society. When people give up, those who would **** us and oppress others are more than happy to step in and take back what we have gained. Music has always been a great means of advancing radical or revolutionary ideas. So, hell, if that's someone's thing, there is still plenty to write about which might even move some people in your direction.

I don't think adding vocals is necessarily going to help anything... it may attract a few more people who may have been too closed minded at first to listen to purely instrumental techno... but if you think about it.. how many popular genres are largely instrumental?

I don't think it has anything to do with being closed-minded. Like I said, a number of my friends bought full albums of various artists after hearing the vocal tracks and bumped 'em for awhile. Just like some people are suckers for a 303, some people are suckers for good vocals. Personally, I really miss original vocals in techno. It's very cool to hear how people have implemented a human element over the machines. The more diverse your sound, the more diverse your audience which is good for longevity. Small followings die really quick especially when even the hardcore begin to lose interest. I dunno. It wouldn't surprise me if you hear more and more techno sounding stuff coming out of hip-hop. I'm just kinda surprised that the techno scene hasn't moved in the same direction outside of sampling yet for the most part. It just seems like a natural progression. That girl MIA has some pretty tech'd out production work for her stuff but it's not exactly being hyped towards the techno crowd around here.

[GothamGrooves.com]

I call out for a media channel to pump techno through, is that so hard? Can I get a kilowatt or 2 to broadcast with? lol

Media people, media is what drives all this shit! Our scene is largely word of mouth, its hard getting new kids into a scene they dont know about...

[OriginalTechnobastard]

and techno definatley isnt faceless or a rebel music anymore, with people like Natus and Arkus getting into the German chart's and the fact u can hear techno on radio 1 a few nights a week......

its got a face, just wether or not the face fits with u is a different matter...

Of course there is few chart success but it is still very un-mainstream.

Just because there is few night a week on radio one and couple of german success doesn't change the fact that 99% acts don't hit the top 40 and way of doing things in techno is pretty rebellious even though I don't care whether it is really or not(even though I like the way its against the norm things and there is so much room for creativity). Its good music end of the day and thats all that matters.

[OriginalTechnobastard]

And I think electronic music is the new punk

[TechMouse]

i made a vst that uses synthesis that no one else has used yet - tho its v buggy!!

Do elaborate...

[acidsaturation]

New Punk bands aren`t saying anything anymore, they are just image.
There are no spitting, shagging, phuck you all, smash it all up, kill your idols, drunken drug crazed rock n roll stars any more.
It`s all been sanitised.

Dunno what punk you're listening to, but I don't see this to be the case in bands I see in back rooms of pubs, squats and warehouses in Leeds etc. I think that yeah, some people are getting bored, doing it for image, but I still see plenty of the old anger, bile and spite. I think people have just realised a bit that they're never gonna "get anywhere" and be noticed by the "mainstream" and are just quite happy to keep it DIY and on a small scale.

Evil G wrote:
the only people fighting the good fight anymore are those too ignorant and uneducated to realize that it is a losing battle. for the majority of people, reality is simply too ugly and depressing to face, and the powers that be are too strong to fight, so they are giving up, turning off, and trying to get their piece of the pie before there is none left.


Man, I really hope this isn't the case. This is def a tangent, but, it's way too early to say that it's a losing battle. Look at how far humanity has progressed by fighting oppression in just the past couple hundred years. It's not that it's a losing battle. It's that we have a long way to go before reaching a truly just and fair society. When people give up, those who would **** us and oppress others are more than happy to step in and take back what we have gained. Music has always been a great means of advancing radical or revolutionary ideas. So, hell, if that's someone's thing, there is still plenty to write about which might even move some people in your direction.

I agree with that I really hope it ain't the case too. I think though what some people have realised is that they ain't gonna change the world, but they can do things on a smaller level and make a diffetrence for people close to them, locally or their community.

I think it was dirtybass who said in an unconnected thread, humanity is wiped out as the planet will then have better custodians (or words to that effect). I don't, but I do care about the people here now.

I'm going off on a tangent now, but going back on topic, I agree that we have more to stand up and shout bollox to than for a long time. I don't think people are letting it wash overthem though. Or maybe some are, but in my mind those who are not are fighting just as hard, but maybe on a more acheivable (local? underground? whatever?) level, be that through music or other forms of rebellion.

[Evil G]

this idea of shifting focus from global to local, and trying to make life more bareable for your crew and family, rather than giving up entirely, i like a lot, and i hope i'm wrong too. but i see way to many SUVs and big cars on the road, and it's quite shocking to see so many Americans gladly giving away their rights in the name of fighting terrorism.

i said what i did in response to the idea that there will be no more musical revolutions. i guess i didn't make that clear in the first post. of course music with lyrics will always out-sell music without lyrics, because it makes it easier to identify and remember tracks, and to buy them at a later time, than it is when one track blends smoothly into the next.

but even within genres that already use lyrics, for the most part, the lyrics don't have the weight behind them that they once did. when i was younger, we expected lyrics to *mean* something, either literally, or metaphorically, or preferably both. maybe i'm just out of touch (i really hope that actually) but it seems like the kids today are so used to empty lyrics that they don't even look for meaning there anymore, and would not recognize a truly powerful song if they heard it.