All music has come to an end

[The Divide]

Seems to be many crushed souls in here...

In a time of universal deceit - telling the truth is a revolutionary act. - George Orwell

Someone PM me when this revolution begins. :lol:

[Joseph Isaac]

and it's quite shocking to see so many Americans gladly giving away their rights in the name of fighting terrorism.

Careful here, not to get off topic, but not ALL of us are gladly giving away any rights...There are quite a bit of grass roots movements about in the US, especially on the West Coast, that directly defy the Bush Administration. My city, Portland, is the only one in the whole country that disallows the Homeland Security department to "snoop" on our residents. Some of us choose to do things like, rip off the IRS or ride a bike as opposed to driving, since we as individuals are truly powerless over the current administration (and that is the truth no matter how optimistic you are). I'm really not trying to get off topic, but i feel that the record must be set straight for believe it or not, the Americans you may see on TV or read about, don't necessarily represent the whole...

[Evil G]

^^^ that's good to hear.

[Komplex]

Music cannot die or be finished. There is no end. Each generation brings something new to the table while learning from the past. Thats how it's been for centuries.

The only thing that can come to an end is your own appreciation of music itself.

[davethedrummer]

i think the drugs have got old
and the new kids just dont find electronic music that great
but its still working in certain places , and it'll be around for a while longer.
but maybe there is a musical revolution going on right now and we just dont know about it................

[dirty_bass]

No music ever dies.
It`s just that dance music as a whole, is no longer the big thing.
Hmmm, I`m not sure how relevant the drugs issue is.

[crime]

but maybe there is a musical revolution going on right now and we just dont know about it................

Maybe if you were 17 and in the middle of the grime thing right now you could see it like that.. as I said before, maybe I'm just becoming older and I've just been around the block a few times, so I'm not as eager and enthusiastic as I used to be (I wish I could turn back the clock)

When I started this thread, it wasn't with the intention of potraying total doom on the whole thing, more just me picking up on something dirty bass said..

I don't think it's just a thing with techno but with a lot of things these days, just disposable culture...
there is some real good stuff out there, but you have to look harder through the fodder to find it...

[j_s]

i guess the speed at which music goes in and out of fashion is getting faster all the time, which makes sense really, it's always been that way (not just in music either). i suppose in that sense, movements don't seem as big or important & tend to splinter more quickly - no revolutions, no big shocks, but no progress? i'm not so sure...

[OriginalTechnobastard]

i think the drugs have got old
and the new kids just dont find electronic music that great
but its still working in certain places , and it'll be around for a while longer.
but maybe there is a musical revolution going on right now and we just dont know about it................

I don't know what you mean by drugs got old. But if its the notion that techno= drugs, I disagree. I hate these kind of things you hear about Techno. I always tell people I'm into Techno because of energy. And contrary to belief drugs is not old. There is about millions E being taken in Uk and most kids in US smoke dope and listen to rap if wondering about drug connection.

Why do we even need music rev. ? Its lame talking about it or even contemplating the idea of it.

I think if you are looking for why Techno is unpopular here is few opinions

1.People don't know about it(Most people outside of Europe don't)
2. People only consider it club music
3. Dance music has branched out (Trance DnB house)
4. People think its too hard or simple

Electronic music is great people just have to 'get it'

[crime]

Why do we even need music rev. ? Its lame talking about it or even contemplating the idea of it.

I think if you are looking for why Techno is unpopular here is few opinions

1.People don't know about it(Most people outside of Europe don't)
2. People only consider it club music
3. Dance music has branched out (Trance DnB house)
4. People think its too hard or simple

Electronic music is great people just have to 'get it'

This thread has nothing to do with techno being popular or unpopular..
it's about things not having an edge....
Please learn to read ;)

[tocsin]

i think the drugs have got old

They also started to get more expensive and less potent. Definitely seemed to burn a lot of people.

but maybe there is a musical revolution going on right now and we just dont know about it.

There it is. If your head is completely stuck in a music scene that already experienced what could be considered a revolution, chances are you're only going to hear about the next one after the fact.

[TechMouse]

Maybe if you were 17 and in the middle of the grime thing right now you could see it like that.. as I said before, maybe I'm just becoming older and I've just been around the block a few times, so I'm not as eager and enthusiastic as I used to be (I wish I could turn back the clock)

:clap: Yes, the whole dubstep thing is pretty cool. Though for my money it has to become less reliant on MCing as a driving force. But I digress.

Anyway, come on Mark, you're hardly old and you're still pushing the envelope with the music you release. Enjoy it.

I don't think it's just a thing with techno but with a lot of things these days, just disposable culture...
there is some real good stuff out there, but you have to look harder through the fodder to find it...

I don't know if you necessarily have to look harder than before - I think it's easy to think you shouldn't have to look so hard anymore because of the massive advances in the way media is delivered.

Unfortunatly you sson realise that the force pushing these things forward is large companies who have no interest in small labels (Techno or otherwise) succeeding.

They control the "media pipe", so to speak, so they choose what goes down it. Here... have another discardable, easily palatable, parent-friendly pop star. There's no way these people are ever going to want to push "good" music, because it's unpredictable.

There will always be people on the fringes who demand more, though, and these people will always find each other somehow. Which, when you think about it, is pretty much how it's always happened.

[crime]

Unfortunatly you sson realise that the force pushing these things forward is large companies who have no interest in small labels (Techno or otherwise) succeeding.

What are they pushing forward apart from their own bank balance?
Thanks for the props anyway, and yes, there is interesting stuff, my initial point was just the fact that when the first sativae and mosquito stuff was hitting back in 95/96 there did seem to be a lot more variety around, and it did feel like a new era was dawning, it was, but these things can't go on forever.. I suppose it's the old chesnut of the easier that music is to understand, the more it's going to sell.. also when you are newer to the music it's going to seem fresher, just after 5+ years of being involved in the industry doing your thing, an you still have trouble affording to live it can get a little frustrating, but I suppose it's the price you pay for doing this thing full time...
Being in germany, berlin in particular is certainly more inspiring, the UK scene seems quite narrow in comparison, and it's great to have very talented people around to bounce ideas off and give you advice and inspiration...

[OriginalTechnobastard]

Why do we even need music rev. ? Its lame talking about it or even contemplating the idea of it.

I think if you are looking for why Techno is unpopular here is few opinions

1.People don't know about it(Most people outside of Europe don't)
2. People only consider it club music
3. Dance music has branched out (Trance DnB house)
4. People think its too hard or simple

Electronic music is great people just have to 'get it'

This thread has nothing to do with techno being popular or unpopular..
it's about things not having an edge....
Please learn to read ;)

it just seems that way

[TechMouse]

Unfortunatly you sson realise that the force pushing these things forward is large companies who have no interest in small labels (Techno or otherwise) succeeding.

What are they pushing forward apart from their own bank balance?

Oh, I just mean in terms of technology.

e.g. iPods, mp3, HDTV, cable, satellite, take your pick out of the million or so different methods that have been developed to shovel shite into the mouths of the intellectually dubious.

[tocsin]

MP3 was not pushed on us by the industry. Not in the slightest. Most of the MP3s you saw floating around years ago were all made with hacked (aka. stolen) derivitives of the Fraunhofer codec. When your online distribution options for supposed "quality" compression were Real Audio, MP3 was great. With a whopping 5k transfer rate on my modem if I was lucky, I could get decent sounding tracks from friends without having to sacrifice quality by going the Real Audio route. MP3 wasn't exactly scaring the crap out of, or even being discussed by, the mainstream industry at the time. It wasn't until they figured out that kids with broadband connections were now trading entire albums around the world in a matter of minutes that the mainstream got interested. They saw that Napster obviously had a marketing scheme in mind. The end result was that the industry was forced to accept MP3. They never wanted it. So, they litigate the hell out of some existing entities while they start up their own similar pay
service. MP3 became big because of techno geeks who continued to expand on ideas to make it more user accessable. That was, and still is an ongoing, revolution. You hadn't seen the music industry get so pissy since the advent of blank tapes. They found a way to deal with that by adding a surcharge to sales of blank tapes. But, in the US at least, that surcharge can't be applied to computer storage media (aka blank CD-Rs) and how do you put a surcharge on a technology that is out of your control? It's why I'm so pro-MP3 or any other compression method that makes delivery of information easy and good for the masses. It's basically our doing. It would make the industry nothing but happy to see MP3 and digital distribution completely disappear. At that point, they hold all the cards again.

[j_s]

Maybe if you were 17 and in the middle of the grime thing right now you could see it like that.. as I said before, maybe I'm just becoming older and I've just been around the block a few times, so I'm not as eager and enthusiastic as I used to be (I wish I could turn back the clock)

:clap: Yes, the whole dubstep thing is pretty cool. Though for my money it has to become less reliant on MCing as a driving force. But I digress.

i dunno. i think lyrics & vocal lines are what give the music a wider appeal. theres decent 'instrumental' stuff about too, but i can't see it pulling as big an audience as say, dizzee rascal. and i do believe a decent audience is necessary for a movement to really kick off.

[crime]

i dunno. i think lyrics & vocal lines are what give the music a wider appeal. theres decent 'instrumental' stuff about too, but i can't see it pulling as big an audience as say, dizzee rascal. and i do believe a decent audience is necessary for a movement to really kick off.

Dizzee rascal is from that scene and still producing underground records, go to hackney and turn the radio on, it's already kicking off....

[crime]

MP3 was not pushed on us by the industry. Not in the slightest. Most of the MP3s you saw floating around years ago were all made with hacked (aka. stolen) derivitives of the Fraunhofer codec. When your online distribution options for supposed "quality" compression were Real Audio, MP3 was great. With a whopping 5k transfer rate on my modem if I was lucky, I could get decent sounding tracks from friends without having to sacrifice quality by going the Real Audio route. MP3 wasn't exactly scaring the crap out of, or even being discussed by, the mainstream industry at the time. It wasn't until they figured out that kids with broadband connections were now trading entire albums around the world in a matter of minutes that the mainstream got interested. They saw that Napster obviously had a marketing scheme in mind. The end result was that the industry was forced to accept MP3. They never wanted it. So, they litigate the hell out of some existing entities while they start up their own similar pay
service. MP3 became big because of techno geeks who continued to expand on ideas to make it more user accessable. That was, and still is an ongoing, revolution. You hadn't seen the music industry get so pissy since the advent of blank tapes. They found a way to deal with that by adding a surcharge to sales of blank tapes. But, in the US at least, that surcharge can't be applied to computer storage media (aka blank CD-Rs) and how do you put a surcharge on a technology that is out of your control? It's why I'm so pro-MP3 or any other compression method that makes delivery of information easy and good for the masses. It's basically our doing. It would make the industry nothing but happy to see MP3 and digital distribution completely disappear. At that point, they hold all the cards again.

Do you buy records or cds at all?

[dirty_bass]

, go to hackney and turn the radio on, it's already kicking off....

I would but some crackhead hackney ****er nicked it.