educate me please, because i really cant find anything wrong

[SlavikSvensk]

i'm with crime and schlongfingers as well...but i also agree with DB somewhat. there HAS been some good music since 1998, but i think overwhelmingly, techno has grown more rigid, less innovative, less excited, and more predictable.

is that a surprise? no. it happens in almost every facet of human life. something appears, it's groundbreaking, it later becomes institutionalized, and consequently regresses to the mean.

let's face it...there's great techno around, but little of it changes the way we think of music, they way a lot of the older stuff did.

[MangaFish]

Ok, something doesn't have to be neccesarily "innovative" for me to enjoy it, just interesting, i.e. of interest to me,I mean I like chicago stuff on a "party" tip, that's not neccesarily innovative, just not so predictable, and I find so much music these days is so predictable.. I mean I got an e-mail the other day from some guy who was asking me why I didn't arrange my tunes with the changes on the 16th, 32nd or 64th bars, and how he had trouble mixing them, and for me I just though "learnt to dj properly" and this is the problem at the moment.. really predictable stuff sells because it's easy to mix, therefore anyone can sound good as a dj (in a technical sensse of being able to beatmatch, which isn't really any great shakes, and this is not my personal train of thought by the way), and I'm sure there are people around who buy records purely on the "mixability" and whether it sounds "Pumping" on a rig, rather than if it is actually an interesting tune, this has had the knock on effect that stuff that strays from the"Techno" norm doesn't sell as well as the billion loop tunes that are all very easy to mix together but arn't saying much, and we end up where nothing stands out..
well, this is a personal theory, I mean each to their own, if people are happy with that , fair enough, if they're getting enjoyment, but I do feel there was a higher percentage of interesting records coming out 9 or 10 years ago compared to now...

actually - i totally agree with you on this one. i hate predictable DJ friendly tracks.

while some records infurate me because i can mix them for shit, i still love the record.

[MangaFish]

i'm with crime and schlongfingers as well...but i also agree with DB somewhat. there HAS been some good music since 1998, but i think overwhelmingly, techno has grown more rigid, less innovative, less excited, and more predictable.

is that a surprise? no. it happens in almost every facet of human life. something appears, it's groundbreaking, it later becomes institutionalized, and consequently regresses to the mean.

let's face it...there's great techno around, but little of it changes the way we think of music, they way a lot of the older stuff did.

isnt that our own fault for becoming nit-picking chin strokers?
its soo hard to be creative, innotive and still produce a technically spot on tune with no reverse polarities in the frequencey modulating spunk or whatever you smart gits rattle on about in the production forum.

yes i asspire to be as know-it-all as some of you guys, but i also find that with every day that i learn a new law of producing, that day i also loose a bit of freedom

[Internal Error Records]

once again, sounds like some people have been around too long for there own good.


here is a brain-scratcher for you - this weekend will be somebodies first rave, and it will be the begining of their 'old school days' and in the year 2010 that person will be jaded and goign around saying "the music just isnt as good as it was in 2005"


everyone who thinks things are worse than it used to be just needs to worry less and party more.

[crime]

Bottom line is, it's well over 10 years since acid house hit, and, as with any movement, it tails off with time, and it's not going to be as exciting as when it was only 5 or 6 years old.. the whole thing is like 17 years old now, it's not suprising it's not as exciting, it's just a fact of life.. I'm sure punk wasn't very exciting by the time 1993 came round ( by which point it would have been 17 years old). there was still good hardcore and punk coming out (I have an interest in this scene btw), but it didn't have the momentum of the original movement....

[crime]

everyone who thinks things are worse than it used to be just needs to worry less and party more.

That is a total stick your head in the sand and ignore what is really going on comment.,.
sorry but it is..

[Internal Error Records]

everyone who thinks things are worse than it used to be just needs to worry less and party more.

That is a total stick your head in the sand and ignore what is really going on comment.,.
sorry but it is..

ummm no it isnt. how can you critize advice to go have a good time?

the fact is, if you worry about techno, then you aren't living by its most basic principle of saying "f-it" and going out and having fun.

[TOM GALLOP[]

Back when it all started, and smarties were 15 quid a pop, I for one and many of my pals wondered how long the scene would last. 16 years on it is clear to me that techno has survived because of its clear and rigid musical structure. It is a contemporary urban, industrial and minimalist music which continues to speak to many on a deep and some might say meditative level.
I love techno cos it fukin rocks. There are still loads of brilliant producers..new and old.

If it still rocks your boat.. groove on baby.

N.B.
Congratulations to Acidtrash on his wicked new album. Ur wot its all about mate.

[crime]

ummm no it isnt. how can you critize advice to go have a good time?

the fact is, if you worry about techno, then you aren't living by its most basic principle of saying "f-it" and going out and having fun.

you said worry less and party more, problems don't get solved by partying, records don't get made by partying, labels don't get run by partying.. while you are all partying there are other people doing hard work so you can party.. ok party if you want to, but don't tell me that "Partying" is the answer because that's just plain ignorant...

[crime]

and to me it aint about saying **** it.. if you're saying **** it you're not concentrating on what your doing, and I like to concentrate, sorry if that sounds a bit serious but if there wern't people being serious you wouldn't have any parties to go to as they would never get organised as everyone would be saying "**** it, party, it will sort itself out" it don't work like that....

[Internal Error Records]

Crime. What problems need to be focused on? There are no problems!

[Internal Error Records]

ok, every one pitch down to about -4 right now. ;)


i could qualify as one of the most anal retentive label owners of all time. but there is no need for unhealthy worrying. (sorry Crime, you are clear over into unhealthy worrying)

no its not about dangerously throwing caution to the wind and letting everything fall to shit.

but just cause you bound up, cletched rectum and teary eyed, doesnt mean you are helping out.

didnt your parents ever tell you, if you dont enjoy it, dont do it?

[MARKEG]

arrghhhh internal why did you reply. hahaha grrrr... just deleted my posts cause i didn't read the rest before hand. hope you don'tmind there,i think you were the only one that saw them...

sorry man.. anyway, chiil out ppl!!!!

[tocsin]

Bottom line is, it's well over 10 years since acid house hit, and, as with any movement, it tails off with time, and it's not going to be as exciting as when it was only 5 or 6 years old.. the whole thing is like 17 years old now, it's not suprising it's not as exciting, it's just a fact of life.. I'm sure punk wasn't very exciting by the time 1993 came round ( by which point it would have been 17 years old). there was still good hardcore and punk coming out (I have an interest in this scene btw), but it didn't have the momentum of the original movement....

This is why I asked the nostalgia questions. It's also where Int. Error's point comes in. Personally, just from what I've experienced. I don't think the music is any "worse" than it was 10 years ago. I went through a phase when I thought the opposite, but, that also happened to coincide with a point in time where the stores I used to buy all my records from just stopped stocking what I liked. Thanks to a friend at a distro house who let me shop there, I was able to figure out that it wasn't the music that went to shit but, rather, the stores I used to shop at went to shit. Now, add on to that the fact that when I usually go out to party, no, it doesn't hit me the same as it did 10 years ago. And while it may be different your way, I think it has to do with the fact that people in my area neglect everything outside of the sound. It's rare when somebody puts an effort into changing a venue into a different environment with deocrations, lights, and visuals. Yeah, there are some megaclubs that do it but it is the same set up every time. I can listen to my old tracks and, if I'm able to remove my nostalgia from them, I don't hear much of a difference between what's coming out now. What made them memorable, and more fun, was that the atmosphere where I heard the music played was generally an all around feast for the senses. My memory can connect a lot of music with those experiences. Nowadays, with the new music, I can pretty much connect a memory, if I'm lucky enough to have one, with a moderately fun night in a bar with a decent sound set up. It's not the music that needs to be fixed. There has always been more crap music than good music. If you're finding it so dead, perhaps what needs to be fixed is the environment where you hear the music. And, as Internal Error put it, if you focussed more on partying than worrying about the sound, maybe that would change?

[crime]

I wasn't getting stressed mark, I just thought it was a bit of a ridiculous thing to say "chill out and party", yeah right...that's going to really get my next releases done eh?

[tocsin]

I wasn't getting stressed mark, I just thought it was a bit of a ridiculous thing to say "chill out and party", yeah right...that's going to really get my next releases done eh?

You might find that it will. My inspiration for techno music, in the end, has always been a dance floor (which may seem ridiculous considering what's been put out with my involvment). I have not been to a party which got me excited enough to really dance, or excited to the point where I'd remember it more than a couple days later, in quite some time. And, not so surprisingly, I've been in a major dry spell for techno composition.

[crime]

I see your point, but it was yet again a prozac nation kind of comment...
anyway, I have better things to do than sit around here and be told how to suck eggs, so I think I'll be leaving it TBH....

[dirty_bass]

I wasn't getting stressed mark, I just thought it was a bit of a ridiculous thing to say "chill out and party", yeah right...that's going to really get my next releases done eh?

You might find that it will. My inspiration for techno music, in the end, has always been a dance floor (which may seem ridiculous considering what's been put out with my involvment). I have not been to a party which got me excited enough to really dance, or excited to the point where I'd remember it more than a couple days later, in quite some time. And, not so surprisingly, I've been in a major dry spell for techno composition.

true dat, there`s nothing like the sounds you make up in your head whilst lost in the heat of a good banging techno club.
I do get a lot of inspiration from partying. Especially a nice warehouse party, when you get really wierd reverbs and stuff, and you make up melodies that just aren`t there in the tunes.

[fresh_an_funky_design]

yeah its mad the little rythymns you get in your head when your dancing to techno. your head sort of make's up this groove to suit you. which i've never really got with any sort other sort of music

[OriginalTechnobastard]

Again old school fellas claiming its not the same. If you say 60-80% of the tracks were banging, I have hard time believing it. Maybe the 60-80% you bought that you were into did but overall scene? Come on! I say my French Techno has 95 percent hit rate but that doesn't mean the whole Techno scene does. Some of that loopy stuff brings it right down :lol: Its better then it has ever been and it started with Dima's first ep '96 ;)