Yeah Ableton is dead good, ben tweaking up some of my editing skills a bit and found it ridiculously easy in the tune I've just done to whip in some reverses in a few clicks without having to resort to creating different samples in an editor and manipulating the length of the loop to add in a bit of glitch. I found a whole new menu the other day as well, envelope control over the sample, have to see what sort of damage can be done with that at some point.