Most divided music scene in the world

[The Divide]

In-fightings happening in most music which has different subgenres

yeah but not to this extent. People usually buy other subgenres in that music style. Where is here you have people only sticking to few names and denounce everything else. I've mean everyone knows I have my favs. But I give other artist a listen and try to understand where it comes from. I've think thats why there isn't a strong scene any more. People are sticking by only on their subgenres and artist. And I must say I hate the way people just stick to the artist because they have a 'hot' name among other djs and there is a fuss about. It should be what you like instead of trying to play

I disagree, I spend my days hanging around with depressed rockers at uni who always claim to be more rock and roll than the next persons shite. Other mate of mine who is a ska band showed me some of the arguements they have and its very much like the stuff you get in here

[holotropik]

Techno is not the only form of music to have "divides", as was pointed out.

From experience i have found that this phenomenon occurs when there is a stagnation or a drop in punter interests. This causes a fierce competitivness between members of that particular community trying to voice who is better and hence deserves more attention.

What must be considered is the cause for the lack of interest or support that starts the symptoms of division.

Consider....

When Techno was at its peak there was no problem getting gigs or support from a venue/punters.
When things stagnated artistically the punters left and hence the venues too.
Now, if you mention the word Techno to a venue (at least here in Australia) you will not get much interest as the support from the punters has diminished.

It will take time and a fresh approach to put things back on track.

[Evil G]

i think the amount of in-fighting in any genre is directly proportional to how serious people take it. in other words, the snobbery isn't always unjustified.

[robin m]

I'm not too sure about this either... the more you get involved with and into a particular scene the more complex it seems and the more subgenres become apparent - this is true of any type of music. I imagine that on average people who post in this forum are just more likely to notice 'divisions' within techno than other forms of music, simply because they're more knowledgeable and passionate about it than they are about, as a crap example off the top of my head, RnB.

I may be way off here but I can't recall seeing many posts on this board that are just angry, negative attacks on a particular style of techno that somebody just doesn't like very much... of course people want to promote and develop their own particular sound, and discussion with other people in the scene - even if it does get quite heated - is surely just going to help that whole process. Regardless of how passionate an argument might get between say, someone who's into their hard crunchy loopy stuff and someone who's an acid techno head I'd bet anything that they'd stick together like glue if a blinkered indie fan waded in and started shouting that all techno was sh*t!

On balance I'd say that all the arguing and discussion in this forum is a healthy way for people who love techno as a whole to expand and develop the scene as a whole - it's all for the good and doesn't mean that anyone sees anyone else as "the enemy" (except maybe in the sport forum!). Basically, I reckon that the "divided" appearance of techno you refer to is just a good sign that people are still passionate about it and are still trying to do new things within it...

Anyway, that's my 2p worth - anyone who disagrees and genuinely thinks I'm a bad guy because I own some stay up forever records feel free to shout at me all you want ;)

[gunjack]

the problem with techno is that people think in terms of "scenes" instead of INDUSTRY.

I wouldn't think "industry" is a good term at all. It just smells of business and money. Music is the main focus no? Maybe not for some.

Industry and art/music is a sh!tty combination.

idealism is admirable. starving ain't.

[gunjack]

I'd say that the problem is people think in terms of industry rather than party.

man, you go on with your lil party. i am tryin to get me and all my ppl to WORK.

[dirty_bass]

Both points have merit.
It should be fun. And as artists are involved, inspiration needs to be there for progression.
But business does need to be considered.
The parties cost money to put on, and are a business. As are the clubs that they are put on in.
As well as the pressing plants, distributers etc.
The whole thing will grind to a halt unless there is money there.

The idealism of "free" music, is great, but it won`t work, cos someone needs to pay for the vinyl, and the decks, and the soundsystems, and the club nights, and the travel fees etc

[schlongfingers]

So you're concentrating on making money then Deaf?

It won't work, there's no money in techno.

[TechMouse]

It won't work, there's no money in techno.

Try telling Carl Cox that.

[schlongfingers]

Well, there IS money in techno if you concentrate on the sales not the music, but that's what the problem with concentrating on the industry is. It turns the music into watered down tepid shite.

Cox hardly makes or releases good techno these days does he?

[dirty_bass]

So you're concentrating on making money then Deaf?

It won't work, there's no money in techno.

If this is true, then I fear that all the records that we love so much, may stop being made within the year.

[schlongfingers]

OK, you're right of course. Nobody releases music purely for the sake of getting their sound on vinyl. It's purely about building a business.



I know that to be false, some put their money where their mouth is without expecting return.

[Evil G]

this may sound a bit rude, but releasing a record that you know wont sell is vain. the whole idea of pressing to a medium (be it vinyl or cd) is to sell it. people making music purely for the intrinsic merit should release it free on the net.

[schlongfingers]

Sorry but it's not vain at all, it's about getting good inventive music out there. Sales are secondary, lots of brilliant music hardly sells at all - if the labels that did tiny runs didn't exist then music would be a sorry state.

Anyway, whatever, it's a bit of a personal thing - at the end of the day each to their own.

[dirty_bass]

this may sound a bit rude, but releasing a record that you know wont sell is vain. the whole idea of pressing to a medium (be it vinyl or cd) is to sell it. people making music purely for the intrinsic merit should release it free on the net.

I agree in a way.
Vinyl is very expensive to produce.
So no one when putting music out, doesn`t expect it to sell.
There is always an element of doubt, but you have to believe in yourelf.
It`s not about being a ****ing millionaire, but there is nothing wrong with being compensated for your hard work.

[Evil G]

i'm certainly not saying that there aren't niche markets for non-mainstream music. if 1 in a million people are into your record, that's still a large number of copies worldwide, and it's worth putting out there. but if you lose money time after time, i think a reality check is in order, that's all...

[Komplex]

If your intention to write and release a track or to start a label is motivated by making a buck first and foremost then congratulations to you. Be proud...

I'll just buy music from the people who actually care about pushing quality music first, before making a buck.

[Adverse]

So you're concentrating on making money then Deaf?

It won't work, there's no money in techno.

If this is true, then I fear that all the records that we love so much, may stop being made within the year.

:lol:

[holotropik]

Its a tricky thing when the economics of business get tangled up with music. There can be a danger of music all being similar in order to target what is "the in thing". Labels (in any genre) will tend to back something that sounds like another tune that is successful.

When pressing to vinyl it is even more of a risk as there must be a solid market ready for the release due to the investment of going to press. Its not easy to do, it takes time and delicate intuition to build up a labels reputation to attract regular customers.

Releasing to other formats (ie: digital) is a good tool for labels to use in order to "test the water" of a potential new artist or fresh style emerging. Digital formats also help labels to expand their potential market by offering their product to the millions of fans who have portable media players now too....(not to mention new technology available for mixing)

Its all about choice.

Sorry to further take this thread away from its original point of discussion....oops!!

[Evil G]

If your intention to write and release a track or to start a label is motivated by making a buck first and foremost then congratulations to you. Be proud...

I'll just buy music from the people who actually care about pushing quality music first, before making a buck.

man, you are taking what i said the wrong way. of course quality comes before cash flow. but if it's good, people like you and me will buy it, and it will pay for itself. if it's not good, and nobody wants to buy it, you shouldn't press it. it would be like giving a speach to an empty room.