Most divided music scene in the world

[Evil G]

in other words, i'm not saying that producers should "sell out" and only make tunes that will sell in large numbers, i'm saying that producers should release quality tunes that will realistically break even.

[OriginalTechnobastard]

If your intention to write and release a track or to start a label is motivated by making a buck first and foremost then congratulations to you. Be proud...

I'll just buy music from the people who actually care about pushing quality music first, before making a buck.

man, you are taking what i said the wrong way. of course quality comes before cash flow. but if it's good, people like you and me will buy it, and it will pay for itself. if it's not good, and nobody wants to buy it, you shouldn't press it. it would be like giving a speach to an empty room.

speech to an empty room :clap: ! I've bet plenty of people here know about that Just joking but noone can deny a good riff! Lets just say Zombie nation was illegally copied in 30 different countries
But the thing is when r ppl going to hang up the 'high hats' n try something really different?

[schlongfingers]

But the thing is when r ppl going to hang up the 'high hats' n try something really different?

When they stop giving a shit about how many they can sell and concentrate on making original music.

[gunjack]

hahaha man i came up making the music i wanted... and i aint changed. i will never reccomend changing your style to sell records, but one must be diverse. i got clubby tracks for the club, dark tracks for the festival, experimental tracks for the smoking hour, hip hop for the cars... but what does that get me?! "most diverse producer of the year award"? naw, it gets me a bunch of unreleased stuff to shop around with concept and industry in mind. I HAVE NEVER MADE A TRACK WITH SALES IN MIND. there are tracks though that will obviously sell better than others.

the folks who kno me will tell you that i would NEVER have spoken about industry and marketing 5 years ago, but it is an experience.

So you're concentrating on making money then Deaf?

It won't work, there's no money in techno.

and thanks for the news flash smartass, but there IS money in techno. playing gigs pays. but how do we get gigs? NEWSFLASH NUMBER 2: MARKETING, IMAGE, PUBLICITY.

**** being a broke assed purist. techno aint the end all and be all to music and i am creepin up on 30 years old, you think i wanna be making banging techno at 30?! i had a dream to define my own sound within the genre of techno. now, 30 friggin records later, i have another dream... to be recognized and successfull as AN ARTIST, not as a techno beatsmith.


this year deafmosaic recordings becomes DEAFMOSAIC GLOBAL ENTERTAINMENT GROUP. we are getting into the hip hop mixtape game. launching a new urban music label based around CD releases in best buy, wallmart etc. creating DVDs, breaking new artists in MANY MANY genres. DM and GCS will continue to release my signature sound and that of the folks round me, but we will no longer limit ourselves to the "techno" world, because there are SO MANY interesting things going on nowadays that we would be awfully STUPID to overspecialize at this point.

a lot of you fools are going to laugh when my publicist puts me on the circuit later this year, you will be like: look at that fool gunny rappin on tv. look at that fool gunny playing jazz in bars round nyc, look at that fool puttin his picture on the records(yea i heard you all talikin shit bout dm06)
look at that fool doing melodic releases on MB selektions ( yea you fools were laughing til you found out ruskin etc. were doing it too)


i trited to tell the spanish boys that in order to gain recognition and respect for the spanish artists, that they would have to learn not to overspecialize and would have to invest in publicity like the detroit boys, nobody listened and now look. BACK TO SQUARE ONE. **** it, i aint getting left behind. you gotta be a leader in this shit. all these people releasing double albums with 8 techno tracks on it is stupid imo. we have achance to cross over and do something to bring techno out of dirty warehouses and into focus as an art, but all this "purism" has cost us the right to an industry which turned out to be just a passing "scene"... cuz folks just got so deep into one little "niche" sound that they forgot about the rest of the f4cking world.



RANT OVER :roll:

[Evil G]

nice rant. :clap:

[schlongfingers]

Interesting rant, the crux of which is you're gonna make other music and concentrate on publicity and marketing in other genres. Precisely my point, fair play and good luck with your plans! But to me it doesnt pin down to bringing TECHNO music out of warehouses, it pins down to you being succesful as an artist across the board. **** bringing techno out of warehouses, it's where it belongs.

The problem with TECHNO, I still stand by this, is that there are too many people seeing where others have made a small amount of money and have attempted to cash in by making similar music - this is not directed at YOU Gunjack, it's at techno artists and labels in general. Keep it niche and experimental or sacrifice it's nature.

[holotropik]

i like what this thread has to say. its really covering some interesting points.

it says that Techno is in that defining period (a pubescent phase) where it is morphing into a more defined style through which it can stand on its own, with a history and identifiable identity.

hip-hop went through this if you remember....(the great MC vs DJ wars etc). many styles have suffered this transition period in order to grow stronger and become entrenched into culture.

[dirty_bass]

When do we get Gunjack lunchboxes, and free Gunjack toys in Cap`n` Crunch Cereal.

[gunjack]

over saturation aint the idea either brah. you got to kno when to play the back too...

[gunjack]

Interesting rant, the crux of which is you're gonna make other music and concentrate on publicity and marketing in other genres. Precisely my point, fair play and good luck with your plans! But to me it doesnt pin down to bringing TECHNO music out of warehouses, it pins down to you being succesful as an artist across the board. **** bringing techno out of warehouses, it's where it belongs.

The problem with TECHNO, I still stand by this, is that there are too many people seeing where others have made a small amount of money and have attempted to cash in by making similar music - this is not directed at YOU Gunjack, it's at techno artists and labels in general. Keep it niche and experimental or sacrifice it's nature.

yeah man gwan ravin in a warehouse with the rolling kids and watch the generations pass... techno music has never been marketed properly and we are still under the thumb of the 90's rave stigma. i came up in the warehouse, but look at mills and my boy stingray playing at cannes film festival this year....

[gumpy green]

dont think playing at these event makes it less or more of an art tho.

i personally think techno should stay underground in warehouses/free partys etc....as soon as you let commercial cunts into anything it fuks it up.

[schlongfingers]

Pah, you clearly don't go to proper parties mr mosaic. There's no generation passing by the warehouse side of things. You seem to be obsessed with commercialising something that will never be commercial cos it's roots are at loggerheads with the very idea.

Get on with it then, I'd really like to see you push techno forward by having your mug on mtv.

[stjohn]

Deaf: im sure you influenced by your american backgrounds but here in Ireland, our free party scene isnt just rolling kids, its pretty much 1,000+ like minded 20-40somethings (often younger&older) having a buzz in forest... and whether they are mad out of it or not, is up to them! but when the party is thrown right and 'electric deluxe' (jsut an example) is at its peak.... im the happiest man you're ever going to see.....

MTV and popular culture would demolish this atmosphere....

some my best clubbing experiences were in sh*tholes, with grime on the walls, piss overflowing in the jaxx, and local djs bangin it out. we had a big club, similar to Shine in belfast, bringin the big names.... and although i had many a great night, nothing can compare to those nights in the shithole....and thats what its about....good music and fun!!

people at these events and parties, work like normal people, make tunes, get stuff done, express themselves, do business, market products and live the generations happily!

i

[dirty_bass]

There`s a lot to be said for taking techno out to more people.
But MTV?
no way.
MTV is the maggot in the shite of popular media.

[Alan Oldham]

hahaha man i came up making the music i wanted... and i aint changed. i will never reccomend changing your style to sell records, but one must be diverse. i got clubby tracks for the club, dark tracks for the festival, experimental tracks for the smoking hour, hip hop for the cars... but what does that get me?! "most diverse producer of the year award"? naw, it gets me a bunch of unreleased stuff to shop around with concept and industry in mind. I HAVE NEVER MADE A TRACK WITH SALES IN MIND. there are tracks though that will obviously sell better than others.

the folks who kno me will tell you that i would NEVER have spoken about industry and marketing 5 years ago, but it is an experience.

So you're concentrating on making money then Deaf?

It won't work, there's no money in techno.

and thanks for the news flash smartass, but there IS money in techno. playing gigs pays. but how do we get gigs? NEWSFLASH NUMBER 2: MARKETING, IMAGE, PUBLICITY.

**** being a broke assed purist. techno aint the end all and be all to music and i am creepin up on 30 years old, you think i wanna be making banging techno at 30?! i had a dream to define my own sound within the genre of techno. now, 30 friggin records later, i have another dream... to be recognized and successfull as AN ARTIST, not as a techno beatsmith.


this year deafmosaic recordings becomes DEAFMOSAIC GLOBAL ENTERTAINMENT GROUP. we are getting into the hip hop mixtape game. launching a new urban music label based around CD releases in best buy, wallmart etc. creating DVDs, breaking new artists in MANY MANY genres. DM and GCS will continue to release my signature sound and that of the folks round me, but we will no longer limit ourselves to the "techno" world, because there are SO MANY interesting things going on nowadays that we would be awfully STUPID to overspecialize at this point.

a lot of you fools are going to laugh when my publicist puts me on the circuit later this year, you will be like: look at that fool gunny rappin on tv. look at that fool gunny playing jazz in bars round nyc, look at that fool puttin his picture on the records(yea i heard you all talikin shit bout dm06)
look at that fool doing melodic releases on MB selektions ( yea you fools were laughing til you found out ruskin etc. were doing it too)


i trited to tell the spanish boys that in order to gain recognition and respect for the spanish artists, that they would have to learn not to overspecialize and would have to invest in publicity like the detroit boys, nobody listened and now look. BACK TO SQUARE ONE. **** it, i aint getting left behind. you gotta be a leader in this shit. all these people releasing double albums with 8 techno tracks on it is stupid imo. we have achance to cross over and do something to bring techno out of dirty warehouses and into focus as an art, but all this "purism" has cost us the right to an industry which turned out to be just a passing "scene"... cuz folks just got so deep into one little "niche" sound that they forgot about the rest of the f4cking world.



RANT OVER :roll:

I knew there was a reason I supported you from the beginning.

DJ T-1000 says Gunjack is the sh**.

[gunjack]

man i came up in the warehouses, i aint saying kill off the underground element of techno music, all i am saying is: GROW UP! GET ORGANIZED AND DONT BE AFRAID TO USE THE THINGS YOU HAVE AT YOUR DISPOSAL in order to make a living!

[gunjack]

hahaha man i came up making the music i wanted... and i aint changed. i will never reccomend changing your style to sell records, but one must be diverse. i got clubby tracks for the club, dark tracks for the festival, experimental tracks for the smoking hour, hip hop for the cars... but what does that get me?! "most diverse producer of the year award"? naw, it gets me a bunch of unreleased stuff to shop around with concept and industry in mind. I HAVE NEVER MADE A TRACK WITH SALES IN MIND. there are tracks though that will obviously sell better than others.

the folks who kno me will tell you that i would NEVER have spoken about industry and marketing 5 years ago, but it is an experience.

So you're concentrating on making money then Deaf?

It won't work, there's no money in techno.

and thanks for the news flash smartass, but there IS money in techno. playing gigs pays. but how do we get gigs? NEWSFLASH NUMBER 2: MARKETING, IMAGE, PUBLICITY.

**** being a broke assed purist. techno aint the end all and be all to music and i am creepin up on 30 years old, you think i wanna be making banging techno at 30?! i had a dream to define my own sound within the genre of techno. now, 30 friggin records later, i have another dream... to be recognized and successfull as AN ARTIST, not as a techno beatsmith.


this year deafmosaic recordings becomes DEAFMOSAIC GLOBAL ENTERTAINMENT GROUP. we are getting into the hip hop mixtape game. launching a new urban music label based around CD releases in best buy, wallmart etc. creating DVDs, breaking new artists in MANY MANY genres. DM and GCS will continue to release my signature sound and that of the folks round me, but we will no longer limit ourselves to the "techno" world, because there are SO MANY interesting things going on nowadays that we would be awfully STUPID to overspecialize at this point.

a lot of you fools are going to laugh when my publicist puts me on the circuit later this year, you will be like: look at that fool gunny rappin on tv. look at that fool gunny playing jazz in bars round nyc, look at that fool puttin his picture on the records(yea i heard you all talikin shit bout dm06)
look at that fool doing melodic releases on MB selektions ( yea you fools were laughing til you found out ruskin etc. were doing it too)


i trited to tell the spanish boys that in order to gain recognition and respect for the spanish artists, that they would have to learn not to overspecialize and would have to invest in publicity like the detroit boys, nobody listened and now look. BACK TO SQUARE ONE. **** it, i aint getting left behind. you gotta be a leader in this shit. all these people releasing double albums with 8 techno tracks on it is stupid imo. we have achance to cross over and do something to bring techno out of dirty warehouses and into focus as an art, but all this "purism" has cost us the right to an industry which turned out to be just a passing "scene"... cuz folks just got so deep into one little "niche" sound that they forgot about the rest of the f4cking world.



RANT OVER :roll:

I knew there was a reason I supported you from the beginning.

DJ T-1000 says Gunjack is the sh**.

hey a. i will see you later this year in chicago. do stay in touch.

[gunjack]

Pah, you clearly don't go to proper parties mr mosaic.

bwahahahahahahahahahahahahah. come to spain and you will shit yourself.

[gunjack]

There`s a lot to be said for taking techno out to more people.
But MTV?
no way.
MTV is the maggot in the shite of popular media.

internet radio, mtv, vh1, viva, I DONT GIVE A F4CK if they play my videos, they are putting money in my pocket. i am sick of judging one company as "more respectable" than another. ITS ALL THE SAME SHIT. i respect the company who pays the artists on time and helps get my music and artists to a wider audience.

[schlongfingers]

bwoooohoooohooo I have been.

You're about cash mate.