Most divided music scene in the world

[tocsin]

tocsin, i'm with you. totally down with most of that reply. you've got ideas, you think you can make change and i say good luck to you. bring it on. i too have listened to some recent hip-hop and thought - my god, that's techno. perhaps a 'techno reaction to hip-hop' would be a better way to think of it all. rather than a 'hip-hop reaction to techno'??? that way you keep the ethos of techno (which is waaaaayyyyy more music orientated than hip hop these days imho). or is that then in keeping with the 'purist' attiude you speak of that is so damaging? hmmm....

Nah, it makes sense. But, ideally, I'd rather hear some shit that is neither one or the other. Through personal experience, I've just found that when you collaborate with people from different musical influences, everyone involved gets a bit more experimental with their influences in putting together the whole. Moreso than you'd get through each person working individually on a track within a particular style of music they are predisposed to. There is similar frustration within techno and hip-hop which is why I think the two could come together to make something really cool and different. Especially if you have people willing to throw everything out the window if it means a better whole project. Also, given the strong fan bases that are present in both hip-hop and techno, a quality project involving elements from the different scenes and sounds would help keep it from being a total flash in the pan and might even be healthy for nightlife. It could be a great uniter. And given how divided things are in both scenes, along with many others, that couldn't hurt. The dissent towards the bling and gangster shit is just as vocal in the hip-hop community as people here would be towards commercial bubblegum trance with overbearing themes of ecstacy.

[tocsin]

Damn the "no edit" policy. Anyways, the ethos shouldn't change at all. The ethos of underground hip-hop and underground techno have much more in common than they do differences. Coming at it from a hardcore angle, it shouldn't be too dificult to work with.

[OriginalTechnobastard]

i would **** dat n*gga up. but seriously, you fools saying i am about cash? if i aint got no cash how the f4ck am i gonna make music? man i aint about selling out techno, i am about GETTING MINE after years of dues paying, if you smart you would be too. F4CK all this snobbery, music belongs to everybody. IF I MADE A SHITTY TRANCE RECORD JUST TO MAKE DOUGH THEN YOU FOOLS COULD SAY THAT BULLSHIT, but as it stands i MAKE THIS MUSIC FOR ME STRICTLY, but just because i try to be a bit more clever about marketing it just means that i will be in the biz alot longer than you narrow minded little kids. this shit is funny man, kids on a techno board calling me a sellout! do yo thang kids, i ain't mad at ya. but i ain't about to rot into obscurity just to be considered "purist" by some kids on the web. go listen to my records, make your own and then talk shit. dang i am wasting my time on this bbs lol!!! you all still dont try to see that i am trying to encourage you young artists to get yours!!!! you think mills is a sell out because he does his marketing tight? get with it, this is entertainment, you got to keep your eye on the prize.

Who let Tupac in? Seriously this has nothing to do with my disagreement with Tocsin, but do you seriously think you're revolutionary for mixing up beats of techno with mcing? I've mean using the great production of Techno or Electro with, 'appealling to millions' of rap is not something unique. I thought about this before but if you are going to do this then it won't be Techno. Everyone knows the kids talk about the beat, how rap is to dance to but most of hiphop production is dire(along with the idea of mcing). If you are fusing hip-hop it would be totally 'selling-out'. What else would you call it? Because rap is good? You're fusing mainstream with Techno. I think the though if you think that music has really something to offer, then its your opinion. So I guess you are being honest with yourself. It won't change how people look at you Then I guess you want to meet PDiddy! Hehehehe. So many people over in US think hip-hop and reggae is the only dance music it would be kind of funny when they see all these European guys with some serious bangers :clap: :clap: :clap: Teach them a lesson!

are you talking to me? pffffft

you know what? F4ck all your lil' assumptions, i never "jumped" to hip hop, i have so many projects bro, and been making hip hop since BEFORE i ever made techno. who the f4ck do you think you are?


ANYWAY



and shlong, I AINT TRYING TO COMMERCIALIZE TECHNO MUSIC, i am trying to commercialize the way in which we do business.


take the word commercial, what is the root word? commerce!


websters says:

Main Entry: 1com·merce
Pronunciation: 'kä-(")m&rs
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle French, from Latin commercium, from com- + merc-, merx merchandise
: social intercourse : interchange of ideas, opinions, or sentiments.


hmmm sounds good to me!

I wasn't talking about your music numbnuts, notice the word 'great'. I was talking about a general idea you and your buddy seem to have. I don't really care what you do with your label. Noone is stopping you are they, so why do get so feathered? Is it because you're looking for a desperate acceptance?

[OriginalTechnobastard]

I still don`t see techno moving into MTV domain is healthy.
You can increase the audience of the music, and the commerciality, without having to turn to something like MTV to do this.
Plus the techno/hip hop thing isn`t really anything new is it.
I`m sure there are other more expansive and far more original areas techno can go to.

When's the last time you heard it being done both well and consistently? I never have. I've heard a couple lucky one-off collaborations here and there and that's it. Besdies, who said anything about moving over to MTV? If you have something good, MTV will move to you whether you like it or not. If you are ever in such a situation, you can spend time fighting it until you are replaced by some flash in the pan MTV project, or you could stay true to what your love while using all available channels to reach an audience. If you think there are other more expansive and original routes that techno can move, then by all means pursue them. But, it's silly to knock something as unoriginal before you've even heard it, right? So far, all you're going on are pre-conceived notions that have been dictated to you from an industry that none of us have any connection with outside of being a solicited audience that isn't interested in buying. I'm pretty much with DeafMosaic on this one. I'd like to see techno reach
as large of a crowd as possible. I think that can be done without anyone losing their integrity. It would only help to encourage people with different outlooks and ideas to get involved in making the music as well. It's not healthy to live in isolation. It just guaruntees a lonely death.

Check what you type please

[OriginalTechnobastard]

so how we gonna paste some unity? By having better control of prevention of shite releases? Technology makes room for more releases. More release clog up the scene. Maybe this is another reason why there is such a huge division. Too many people with a reason software, and knocking up another funky loop!

[OriginalTechnobastard]

This is not a diss for all of the people using it one way or another.

[gunjack]

i would **** dat n*gga up. but seriously, you fools saying i am about cash? if i aint got no cash how the f4ck am i gonna make music? man i aint about selling out techno, i am about GETTING MINE after years of dues paying, if you smart you would be too. F4CK all this snobbery, music belongs to everybody. IF I MADE A SHITTY TRANCE RECORD JUST TO MAKE DOUGH THEN YOU FOOLS COULD SAY THAT BULLSHIT, but as it stands i MAKE THIS MUSIC FOR ME STRICTLY, but just because i try to be a bit more clever about marketing it just means that i will be in the biz alot longer than you narrow minded little kids. this shit is funny man, kids on a techno board calling me a sellout! do yo thang kids, i ain't mad at ya. but i ain't about to rot into obscurity just to be considered "purist" by some kids on the web. go listen to my records, make your own and then talk shit. dang i am wasting my time on this bbs lol!!! you all still dont try to see that i am trying to encourage you young artists to get yours!!!! you think mills is a sell out because he does his marketing tight? get with it, this is entertainment, you got to keep your eye on the prize.

Who let Tupac in? Seriously this has nothing to do with my disagreement with Tocsin, but do you seriously think you're revolutionary for mixing up beats of techno with mcing? I've mean using the great production of Techno or Electro with, 'appealling to millions' of rap is not something unique. I thought about this before but if you are going to do this then it won't be Techno. Everyone knows the kids talk about the beat, how rap is to dance to but most of hiphop production is dire(along with the idea of mcing). If you are fusing hip-hop it would be totally 'selling-out'. What else would you call it? Because rap is good? You're fusing mainstream with Techno. I think the though if you think that music has really something to offer, then its your opinion. So I guess you are being honest with yourself. It won't change how people look at you Then I guess you want to meet PDiddy! Hehehehe. So many people over in US think hip-hop and reggae is the only dance music it would be kind of funny when they see all these European guys with some serious bangers :clap: :clap: :clap: Teach them a lesson!

are you talking to me? pffffft

you know what? F4ck all your lil' assumptions, i never "jumped" to hip hop, i have so many projects bro, and been making hip hop since BEFORE i ever made techno. who the f4ck do you think you are?


ANYWAY



and shlong, I AINT TRYING TO COMMERCIALIZE TECHNO MUSIC, i am trying to commercialize the way in which we do business.


take the word commercial, what is the root word? commerce!


websters says:

Main Entry: 1com·merce
Pronunciation: 'kä-(")m&rs
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle French, from Latin commercium, from com- + merc-, merx merchandise
: social intercourse : interchange of ideas, opinions, or sentiments.


hmmm sounds good to me!

I wasn't talking about your music numbnuts, notice the word 'great'. I was talking about a general idea you and your buddy seem to have. I don't really care what you do with your label. Noone is stopping you are they, so why do get so feathered? Is it because you're looking for a desperate acceptance?

dude, you are such an idiot.

[OriginalTechnobastard]

dude you're totally like not!

[gunjack]

bro, what the f4ck gives you the right to shoot off your mouth like you do? how many records in your discography? maybe humble yourself a bit because you are acting like an idiot. opinions are one thing, but you seem hell bent on being contrary for the sake of being contrary. that post obviously seemed like it was for me, you quote me, make some smart ass remarks and assume i will know your talking bout someone else.... and i am the idiot? go figure. MARK EG: an ignore button might be the way to go with this "original techno BASTARD"

[OriginalTechnobastard]

bro, what the f4ck gives you the right to shoot off your mouth like you do? how many records in your discography? maybe humble yourself a bit because you are acting like an idiot. opinions are one thing, but you seem hell bent on being contrary for the sake of being contrary. that post obviously seemed like it was for me, you quote me, make some smart ass remarks and assume i will know your talking bout someone else.... and i am the idiot? go figure. MARK EG: an ignore button might be the way to go with this "original techno BASTARD"

I don't claim to be an artist. So there goes your first sentence. Just because you release a tune don't mean you know a good one. I'm not acting contrary for the sake of being difficult, I even mentioned this in the beginning. I just have a different opinion than yours. Learn to live with it. I've mean I can't state what I feel about your public post? Very liberal of you :clap:

[OriginalTechnobastard]

Do whateverthefukkulike as I said before. Its not something I agree with but then there might be people who do. If you think its honest than there is no point of arguing with me is there?

[dirty_bass]

Ok lets calm this down.
Healthy debate is just that.
Healthy.
Lets not get into personal arguments.

Gunny, chill man, we got your back. Not everyone is gonna roll on their back and agree with all you do, but at least you are thinking and trying to do something beyond making a few tunes, and you`ve done your time, so I think most of us know your not some fly by night in it for the cash only.

OriginalTechnobastard, dude, your pragmatism is cool, as it keeps everyone on their toes, but sometimes you bite down like a pit bull, and it gets a bit too personal. So please man, I think you do make a valuable contribution here, just try to step back a little before you rush in for the kill.

[gunjack]

yo i dont expect anyone to roll over and agree with me, but this fool makes all kindsa cheap personal shots and i tell you what: in my hood, that dog dont hunt.

[Adverse]

I still don`t see techno moving into MTV domain is healthy.

like it's even ****ing possible.

[gunjack]

hey verse where the f4ck were you from 92 - 96 when the whole "rave" thing hit mtv? i am not saying it was good but do you remember a little electronic show on mtv called AMP?????? i have seen more jeff mills and dj hell videos etc. on mtv than i have on viva!

[OriginalTechnobastard]

If only I didn't have two warnings I could've had fun and answered your reply.

[dan the acid man]

so how we gonna paste some unity? By having better control of prevention of shite releases? Technology makes room for more releases. More release clog up the scene. Maybe this is another reason why there is such a huge division. Too many people with a reason software, and knocking up another funky loop!

i have to agree on this one, i wish people would have more self quality control.

i listen to some records and think, if i'd made that, there's no way i'd be releasing it.
i know its easy to get wrapped up in a new tune your writing, but when you listen back to a track a week or two later, you can usually tell if its any good or not

[The Divide]

Techno making MTV. hmmm

That would only work if it had a formula that would appeal to the general public. In other words cheesy catchy riffs and what not. Reminds me of what happened to trance when some bright spark realised what would happen when you mix a euphoric trance melody to female house vocalist. Right nail in the coffin for underground hard trance that was

I think MTV would only pay interest techno if it could make some $ out of it. The techno rap crossover thing seems like its already been happening for years. If an artist wants do push techno closer to rap then fine. It would work, wouldnt make a difference to my life because I dont watch MTV

[The Divide]

Re most divided scene in the world...

Maybe it is because of all the different sounds within this genre, but does it matter?

Some people like cheese, some like excersize, some people like sports

Everyone has their own tastes and some people are passionate about them. Seems good to me that people know what they like.

We're not hippies anymore :lol:

[SlavikSvensk]

maybe techno is like punk rock in that its days of having a massive influence on all music are over, but it will continue on, growing steadily less popular and more underground year after year...

is that a bad thing? a good thing? both? neither?

the way i see it, though, techno is going to continue to subdivide and subdivide...eventually we'll see sections in stores (or more accurately, on juno) with titles like "hard experimental swedo-detroitcore acid techno."