Most divided music scene in the world

[gunjack]

we have achance to cross over and
do something to bring techno out of dirty warehouses and into focus as an art, but all this "purism" has cost us the
right to an industry which turned out to be just a passing "scene"... cuz folks just got so deep into one little
"niche" sound that they forgot about the rest of the f4cking world.

I could not agree with this statement more. "Purity" is what I was running from when I got into techno. I liked music that would throw just about any sound imaginable together to make something that sounded good and was fun. When I started playing with more electronic compositions myself, I liked the fact that there was nobody around me establishing silly little rules about how a track should be arranged or sound. And, in case 1996-1997 wasn't enough of a hint for the states, there is a HUGE amount of room to truly blend hip-hop and techno together to make something incredibly unique with a hell of a lot of support. Some of the more mainstream hip-hop production crews have sorta cuaght on to that fact. But, it really hasn't been taken anywhere to it's fullest. Why? "Purity." **** that noise. For all the people who whine about the lack of progression, nothing "progressed" through petty "purity."

Yo, Deaf. I'd asked you before about what you were planning on with the hip-hop related ideas. I'd really like to hear some of it if you have any samples.

word? i will shoot ya some mp3s when i get back to the fatherland next month. ;)

[The Overfiend]

D
S
P
Draws,
simply classic.

[The Overfiend]

jesus.

now that dude had marketing. ;)

lessons from the architect long lasting

[gunjack]

phoenix must be getting hot as ****!!! i will try to shoot through and see you on my way to l.a. in the first part of june!

[GothamGrooves.com]

The problem is a larger percentage of the Techno scene is comprised of elitests as opposed to other genres which have more reg party kids who don't really care about the details, just going out and having fun...
I'll admitt it, I have ripped on many kids who dont know jack shit but I have def learned that those kids who dont come back weaken the techno scene.

[schlongfingers]

i would **** dat n*gga up. but seriously, you fools saying i am about cash? if i aint got no cash how the f4ck am i gonna make music? man i aint about selling out techno, i am about GETTING MINE after years of dues paying, if you smart you would be too. F4CK all this snobbery, music belongs to everybody. IF I MADE A SHITTY TRANCE RECORD JUST TO MAKE DOUGH THEN YOU FOOLS COULD SAY THAT BULLSHIT, but as it stands i MAKE THIS MUSIC FOR ME STRICTLY, but just because i try to be a bit more clever about marketing it just means that i will be in the biz alot longer than you narrow minded little kids. this shit is funny man, kids on a techno board calling me a sellout! do yo thang kids, i ain't mad at ya. but i ain't about to rot into obscurity just to be considered "purist" by some kids on the web. go listen to my records, make your own and then talk shit. dang i am wasting my time on this bbs lol!!! you all still dont try to see that i am trying to encourage you young artists to get yours!!!! you think mills is a sell out because he does his marketing tight? get with it, this is entertainment, you got to keep your eye on the prize.

I'm not a kid mate, been involved in techno for the last ten years+ neither am I a 'purist', i just think you are trying to commercialise a non commercial music for your own gain.

Anyway, time will tell innit.

[OriginalTechnobastard]

i would **** dat n*gga up. but seriously, you fools saying i am about cash? if i aint got no cash how the f4ck am i gonna make music? man i aint about selling out techno, i am about GETTING MINE after years of dues paying, if you smart you would be too. F4CK all this snobbery, music belongs to everybody. IF I MADE A SHITTY TRANCE RECORD JUST TO MAKE DOUGH THEN YOU FOOLS COULD SAY THAT BULLSHIT, but as it stands i MAKE THIS MUSIC FOR ME STRICTLY, but just because i try to be a bit more clever about marketing it just means that i will be in the biz alot longer than you narrow minded little kids. this shit is funny man, kids on a techno board calling me a sellout! do yo thang kids, i ain't mad at ya. but i ain't about to rot into obscurity just to be considered "purist" by some kids on the web. go listen to my records, make your own and then talk shit. dang i am wasting my time on this bbs lol!!! you all still dont try to see that i am trying to encourage you young artists to get yours!!!! you think mills is a sell out because he does his marketing tight? get with it, this is entertainment, you got to keep your eye on the prize.

Who let Tupac in? Seriously this has nothing to do with my disagreement with Tocsin, but do you seriously think you're revolutionary for mixing up beats of techno with mcing? I've mean using the great production of Techno or Electro with, 'appealling to millions' of rap is not something unique. I thought about this before but if you are going to do this then it won't be Techno. Everyone knows the kids talk about the beat, how rap is to dance to but most of hiphop production is dire(along with the idea of mcing). If you are fusing hip-hop it would be totally 'selling-out'. What else would you call it? Because rap is good? You're fusing mainstream with Techno. I think the though if you think that music has really something to offer, then its your opinion. So I guess you are being honest with yourself. It won't change how people look at you Then I guess you want to meet PDiddy! Hehehehe. So many people over in US think hip-hop and reggae is the only dance music it would be kind of funny when they see all these European guys with some serious bangers :clap: :clap: :clap: Teach them a lesson!

[dirty_bass]

White boys making hip hip just don`t have the cred.
Eminem did it. But look who was pulling the strings.
You present a bunch of gangster culture kids, with the intelligently made, but basically zero cred (in their eyes) of techno, they are gonna pass it over without even blinking.
UNLESS
You get a mate to shoot you 10 TIMES!!
then you got fiddy beat hands down, and the kids will think your cool.

[OriginalTechnobastard]

No what if you have a new upcoming mc and your techno skills. It still is shit in terms of making techno go forward but I've think there is a market for it because rap has a very stronghold in US. I've think techno needs to be more known to shake up US market. I defiently think Techno can be better marketed better but to jump on hip-hop is not the way. I've think to do that in one way is to stick together. Be constructive when making negative comments and be more united. I've think vocals can be a good thing sometimes but mcing is a nono. But I don't believe in mcing so there you go.Techno is the best music to dance to. Best music to rock your body and the most unconventional music out there. Techno is cool, kids :lol: :clap: :clap: :clap:

[dirty_bass]

yeah, sure, we can do with taking techno out there to more people.
But hip hop is so competative, and riddled with bling or bang based cred.
Vocals can be used in techno for sure, but I think keep it techno. Hip hop has it`s roots in the streets, techno has it`s roots in the mind.

[OriginalTechnobastard]

The last sentence :clap: ! I basically agree with that whole post.

[tocsin]

yeah, sure, we can do with taking techno out there to more people.
But hip hop is so competative, and riddled with bling or bang based cred.
Vocals can be used in techno for sure, but I think keep it techno. Hip hop has it`s roots in the streets, techno has it`s roots in the mind.

No offense, but this is completely silly. First off, why the hell do you need to stick to a stereotypical image in music? I used to love hip-hop and I was never into the bling-bling or majority of gangster shit. There is so much other good work out there. Public Enemy, as one example, was hip-hop from the mind. I guess you have to listen to hip-hop, rather than watch it, to find something that isn't a rock cliche. If you want to "progress," you need to shatter all of your self-created subjective boundaries. If you can't do that, eventually you will fall into a predictable rut and fade out of the picture. That's just how it goes. All music is competitive once you try and put it out for paid consumption. If it wasn't, every single user of this forum who had ever written a track would have records out. But, this isn't really the case. And when you do something that's completely unheard of by most people, you don't have to worry about competition so much because there wont be any yet.

[dirty_bass]

I`ve got plenty of hip hop. Mostly the more intelligent, and less "I`m a gansgter and I`ve sold a lot of drugs" stuff
But for the most part, it is based around the bling and bang in terms of commerciality anyway.
Only the more underground stuff is really more diverse.
Why substitute underground techno for underground hip hop, when what you are talking about is commerciality?
I`m totally unsure about your point?

[OriginalTechnobastard]

[quote="dirty_bass"
I`m totally unsure about your point?[/quote]

Not the first one, and won't be the last

[gumpy green]

yup the "conscious" hiphop is very intelligent and totally well produced....just as good or better than techno....

try krsone
phi-life cypher
poor righteous teachers..

then again some of the bling bling gansta, i gonna fuk you up stuff is lyrically very good too......kool kieth being an example of this "i dont give a fuk style".....

Dunno if it would fuse well but im sure someone could get it sounding fresh with elements of both in ther.....i dunno, i like both alot but think id still rather hear em seperate.....id still like to hear it done well tho, could be quite a good sound and summin new for the ears...

[tocsin]

I`ve got plenty of hip hop. Mostly the more intelligent, and less "I`m a gansgter and I`ve sold a lot of drugs" stuff
But for the most part, it is based around the bling and bang in terms of commerciality anyway.
Only the more underground stuff is really more diverse.
Why substitute underground techno for underground hip hop, when what you are talking about is commerciality?
I`m totally unsure about your point?

I'm not talking about substituting techno or hip-hop with anything. I'm talking about doing something completely new. In a nutshell, techno has isolated itself as a style of music. The techno artists who have not isolated themselves are branded as sell-outs. Hip-hop has become such a cliche that it has lost a number of listeners. Not so much that the industry would notice. But, it's a number of listeners that could and would get back into it again if the message and music was right. In my backyard, the techno I enjoy and the only is of both the street and the mind, just like the hip-hop I enjoy. Therefore, I don't see how you have any substitution going on when artists who had more influence/interest in one sound start working on another. What would happen, if done right, is a completely new sound that would be appealing. Leave it to the marketers to figure out what to call it. I couldn't care less. But, generally, I do get tired of watching techno, or any other style of music I've enjoyed,
shoot itself in the foot by holding up self-created prison walls, often established and supported under the concept of remaining "pure," "true," "underground," etc. I couldn't care less how people say other music scenes are and what their about. When that talk starts being taken seriously, it's when you see the dreaded lack of progression that so many people seem to bitch about here.

[OriginalTechnobastard]

like what you are doing by any chance?

[tocsin]

like what you are doing by any chance?

If you're so interested and think you have a point with this, go to discogs.com.

[dirty_bass]

I still don`t see techno moving into MTV domain is healthy.
You can increase the audience of the music, and the commerciality, without having to turn to something like MTV to do this.
Plus the techno/hip hop thing isn`t really anything new is it.
I`m sure there are other more expansive and far more original areas techno can go to.

[tocsin]

I still don`t see techno moving into MTV domain is healthy.
You can increase the audience of the music, and the commerciality, without having to turn to something like MTV to do this.
Plus the techno/hip hop thing isn`t really anything new is it.
I`m sure there are other more expansive and far more original areas techno can go to.

When's the last time you heard it being done both well and consistently? I never have. I've heard a couple lucky one-off collaborations here and there and that's it. Besdies, who said anything about moving over to MTV? If you have something good, MTV will move to you whether you like it or not. If you are ever in such a situation, you can spend time fighting it until you are replaced by some flash in the pan MTV project, or you could stay true to what your love while using all available channels to reach an audience. If you think there are other more expansive and original routes that techno can move, then by all means pursue them. But, it's silly to knock something as unoriginal before you've even heard it, right? So far, all you're going on are pre-conceived notions that have been dictated to you from an industry that none of us have any connection with outside of being a solicited audience that isn't interested in buying. I'm pretty much with DeafMosaic on this one. I'd like to see techno reach
as large of a crowd as possible. I think that can be done without anyone losing their integrity. It would only help to encourage people with different outlooks and ideas to get involved in making the music as well. It's not healthy to live in isolation. It just guaruntees a lonely death.