Sven Wittekind - Serious Bitch EP - Tool Terror Records #1

**ds2** · 10-05-2005, 08:01 PM

Originally Posted by tocsin

If someone asked for your opinion on a Gremlin, would you criticize it for not being a Ferrari? If someone did a pencil sketch, would you criticize it for not being oil on canvas? You could always make the statement that the sketch artist was just lazy for not going the route of creating a beautiful full color oil canvas painting. But, that ignores the very real fact that the artist just may have wanted to draw something rather simplistic with a pencil.

you are jeff mills and i claim my limited edition axis willy warmer.

**eyes without a face** · 10-05-2005, 08:07 PM

hahahahaha

they have willy warmers too?

neat, if ur into that sort of thing ;)

**ds2** · 10-05-2005, 08:17 PM

Originally Posted by eyes without a face

hahahahaha

they have willy warmers too?

neat, if ur into that sort of thing ;)

yeah but not your size, the americans never do size small.

i remember falling for an april fools via ideal distribution years ago.
they listed some axis toothbrushes in their mailout.

guess who ordered some

**eyes without a face** · 10-05-2005, 08:49 PM

haha really? lol

hilarious.... hahahaha

im sure others did too tho lol

**Stella Boy** · 10-05-2005, 09:26 PM

Originally Posted by darkside

i remember falling for an april fools via ideal distribution years ago.
they listed some axis toothbrushes in their mailout.

guess who ordered some

HAHAHA !!!!! Classic :clap:

that explains the piece of cabbage that's been stuck in your teeth then :lol:

**ds2** · 10-05-2005, 09:28 PM

Originally Posted by Stella Boy

that explains the piece of cabbage that's been stuck in your teeth then :lol:

that's not cabbage. ask your lass...

**Stella Boy** · 10-05-2005, 09:37 PM

I got a roasting off your lass last time this sh1t was discussed so don't go there :dontevengothere:

it was a good spitroast though

**dirty_bass** · 11-05-2005, 01:18 AM

Originally Posted by darkside

Originally Posted by dirty_bass

all techno is meant to be mixed.

no it's not

Originally Posted by dirty_bass

So to say "oh, I meant this record to be mixed" is just a cop out.

no it's not.

Ok, if we are going down the pedantic road.
MOST techno that gets discussed on this forum, is meant to be mixed.
ie 4x4 stuff.
There IS plenty of techno that is just knocked out in a few hours, and is purely loops processed of of loop CD`s.
It sucks, it`s lazy, and in my opinion, no better than the latest churned out cover by a boy band. Except the churned out cover by a boy band will have better production.

**stjohn** · 11-05-2005, 01:55 AM

westlife make me proud to be Irish!!!

and the whiskey :cry:

**ds2** · 11-05-2005, 03:48 PM

Originally Posted by dirty_bass

Ok, if we are going down the pedantic road.
MOST techno that gets discussed on this forum, is meant to be mixed.
ie 4x4 stuff.
There IS plenty of techno that is just knocked out in a few hours, and is purely loops processed of of loop CD`s.
It sucks, it`s lazy, and in my opinion, no better than the latest churned out cover by a boy band. Except the churned out cover by a boy band will have better production.

nothing pedantic at all. you said ALL techno is made to be mixed which is total rubbish. i pulled you on it and now you've changed it to MOST techno that's discussed on this small forum...

i totally agree there's ****ing loads of techno banged out in a few hours made for mixing and you're right, alot of it sucks. but that's not what you said and there's a big difference.

**tocsin** · 11-05-2005, 04:22 PM

Where do your opinions come from anyways, Dirty_Bass. You make factual assertions but do you have anything other than a gut feeling to back them up? How do you know one of the most boring loops you've ever heard only took a few hours to make? What's the relevance? If it sounds good, but only took a few hours to make, it's less glamorous? I just find this attitude to be snooty. It's like that dumb rocker attitude I referenced in another thread. See, it would be one thing if people just said they didn't like something. It's when trash-talking is passed off as fact, like you were there looking over the shoulder of a producer as they wrote the thing, that it feels more like a personal grudge. I'd honestly rather just hear someone say they think the music sucks at that point rather than bring up unfounded pseudo-facts to make it look like their is more to their opinion.

On a side note, the name of this label might be the most amusing one I've come across in awhile.

**Adverse** · 11-05-2005, 04:29 PM

oh **** off.

**eyes without a face** · 11-05-2005, 04:51 PM

Originally Posted by Adverse

oh **** off.

sorry but i have to 2nd that :lol:

**dirty_bass** · 11-05-2005, 05:01 PM

Ok, my bad.
Loopy, lazilly produced techno loops are great.
And not at all the techno version of a boy band churning out drivel after drivel.

Yay, endless loops forever :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

**SlavikSvensk** · 11-05-2005, 05:09 PM

listen...fellas...loop-based techno can be fantastic...i'm sure everyone on this forum agrees with that...if we didn't, we'd be on an IDM forum or somewhere else...

i think what dirty_bass is trying to say is that a lot of producers don't push themselves. they can write decent-sounding loops very easily, and this leads them to rest on their laurels, and keep releasing decent but unchallenging loop records. this also isn't just 1 or 2 guys, it's a lot of guys, including many of the biggest and most respected producers. and it isn't just 1 or 2 records, it's the bulk majority of them.

**tocsin** · 11-05-2005, 05:23 PM

Originally Posted by dirty_bass

Ok, my bad.
Loopy, lazilly produced techno loops are great.
And not at all the techno version of a boy band churning out drivel after drivel.

Yay, endless loops forever :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

No need to go the opposite extreme now. Just try answering the question instead. How do you know how much effort was put into the record? It gets old hearing this crap especially since you're own of the people who has brought up this "no negativity" stance before. Making unfounded statements to back up an opinion, in the end, is just trash talking. I've got more respect for someone who is just willing to admit they think something sucks at that point.

**dirty_bass** · 11-05-2005, 05:40 PM

IT`s easy to hear.
I`ve heard plenty of techno tracks (I`m not refferring to wittekind here) that are just a collection of loops from various commercial techno loops CDs
No real thought there. If you honestly can`t see that in a lot of the loop techno that has been churned out over the last five years, then you must be deaf.

**SlavikSvensk** · 11-05-2005, 05:49 PM

just the last 5? ;)

**tocsin** · 11-05-2005, 05:59 PM

Originally Posted by dirty_bass

IT`s easy to hear.
I`ve heard plenty of techno tracks (I`m not refferring to wittekind here) that are just a collection of loops from various commercial techno loops CDs
No real thought there. If you honestly can`t see that in a lot of the loop techno that has been churned out over the last five years, then you must be deaf.

I don't own many loop CDs so I wouldn't know. As a consumer who doesn't like wasting time or cash on what I find boring, I don't listen to loopy music, hard techno, "techno" and a number of the genres that are probably most popular here. But, I'm not about to sit back and accuse producers of rushing work through using pre-made loops unless I could specifically trainspot those loops.

**dirty_bass** · 12-05-2005, 12:25 AM

Well, I`m not gonna name any names, as I`m not gonna start a shit storm by pointing fingers. But it happens.
Even worse is when techno people sample other techno records and steal each others beats. That`s sooo wrong.
Like a washing machine screwing itself

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