Apprently the German's have ruined techno.

[Sunil]

Sunil, quote away... after hearing the sad story that was Tool Terror 1 i decided im not gonna get involved in these schranz debates anymore... it really is crap

this thread is hilarious :lol:

I was only pulling your leg. But really, I think Bones is just voicing his opinion a bit on schranz the same way you or someone else might.. don't think anyone's losing any sleep over it though.

[Sunil]

Once again.. quote of the week:


Frankie Bones

Who wants to battle. I will serve your ass up with Fries and a Shake.

:lol: :clap: :clap: :clap:

[SlavikSvensk]

Once again.. quote of the week:


Frankie Bones

Who wants to battle. I will serve your ass up with Fries and a Shake.

:lol: :clap: :clap: :clap:

fries and shakes have ruined techno!

[DJ Becka]

Once again.. quote of the week:


Frankie Bones

Who wants to battle. I will serve your ass up with Fries and a Shake.

:lol: :clap: :clap: :clap:

fries and shakes have ruined techno!

No, fries and shakes have ruined america



:lol:

[The Germ]

i got no love for german hard techno anymore love the older stuff but now a days all sounds the same and i think there is nowhere for it to go sound wise. Bones is okay i like some of his stuff but always was never that great to buy..

[RDR]

[quote="dirty_bass"]

didnt know bones takes other peoples samples?

Oh man....bones is the KING of stolen samples.....plastic dreams, the bells, neil landstrumm.....he's even stolen loops from Joe Beltram. Gotta give him credit though.....he has no shame in hiding the fact that he does this-but why are people so stupid to buy his records when they might already have the original?

Oh schnap!
But he is using the hip hop approach. I see your point, but we cant take anything away from dude.
WE ARE ALL GUILTY OF SAMPLE RIPPING.
EVERYTHING WE DO IS A SAMPLE.
Unless we beat box or use the spoons.

Erm, dude, not everyone uses samples.

Not to sound picky here DB, but how far do you really wanna take that comment? What about that 909 kick you used last time? Which japanese engineer created that......? and that sample set of a real drum kit you used last time...? etc etc ad nauseum.

The argument about using samples annoys me. whats the point in any producer claiming that they "dont use samples" it's patently nonsense and serves no purpose other than to attempt to elevate them to this godlike status where they are better than everyone else because they "Dont use samples..."

This wasnt aimed at you DB by any means, and im pretty sure you know what im talking about anyway.

As for Frankie Bones - i couldnt really give a monkey's golden balls what he says, if he wants people to have respect for what he says and does, giving half-arsed statements about other forms of his own music serves no other purpose than to irritate people and get himself free publicity. In my mind it isnt a constructive conversation, and isnt even reality.

Bet your bottom dollar that presented with a "Schranze" tune in a club that rocked, he'd be catching the vibe along with everyone else there having a good time. Producers make music for people to enjoy - if they enjoy it then in my book its worthwhile, and yes i do believe that applys to EVERY genre of music going. Yes its an awkward truth, yes it'll get me slated, but i dont care. Purist nonsense revolts me. the true path is through open mindedness, an immutable fact - otherwise we would never have techno.

[gumpy green]

maybe hes heard shranz slippy or one of the other wakasfuk shite pieces of non-techno.,

i still go back to my previous point........why dont someone step up to him??

lets see if he could serve them with fries.

[killarava2day]

:lol:

Gota love walking past and noteing a G like that...even on a big chick, I don't mind

[TechMouse]

yes, he is right. every techno record from germany is either minimalism intellectual kompakt technopop or 100% distorted dumb schranz. definately agree with his point! techno is ruined, and is dead of course.

**** sake man
why dont you make some then instead of moaning about it

Oh, for an "irony" emoticon.

[koma]

Once again.. quote of the week:


Frankie Bones

Who wants to battle. I will serve your ass up with Fries and a Shake.

:lol: :clap: :clap: :clap:

I like this one even more:

Frankie Bones

Who is moaning anyway. I have finally reached a point in my career where I am finally nailing two girls at once

btw of course Germans ruined techno. Kraftwerk actually came from Bulgaria.

and what about Heiko Laux, Kowalski etc.? this is the same situation as when some european djs/producers say for american sound its boring and obsolete.

its just the fact that we have to be more openminded and have a wider picture before giving statements like that. its in the benefit of this whole movement.

[crbn]

Not to sound picky here DB, but how far do you really wanna take that comment? What about that 909 kick you used last time? Which japanese engineer created that......? and that sample set of a real drum kit you used last time...? etc etc ad nauseum.

Oh come on, thats ridiculous. Are you trying to say that using a sample of a 909 kick is the same as nicking the main riff from well known tracks and using it as the basis of your own track? All use of samples is not the same, theres samples and samples. I really hope you weren't serious when you typed this.

[dirty_bass]

Not to sound picky here DB, but how far do you really wanna take that comment? What about that 909 kick you used last time? Which japanese engineer created that......? and that sample set of a real drum kit you used last time...? etc etc ad nauseum.

Oh come on, thats ridiculous. Are you trying to say that using a sample of a 909 kick is the same as nicking the main riff from well known tracks and using it as the basis of your own track? All use of samples is not the same, theres samples and samples. I really hope you weren't serious when you typed this.

Well, if we want to get picky. I generate my kicks using a kick generator.
Usually a thing called MetalBD, or Microtonic.
Essentially you fiddle with the way the sinewave is treated, and then there`s a noise generator, I won`t go into that.

As for other samples. Yeah, I do use them, in a more and more limited capacity these days.

But the point is, you can use samples creatively, and mould them to your own sound.

Wholesales ripping of other peoples loops and phrases, can`t be compared in any way.


Compare it to another art.
A writer can take the individual words, or theme of another text, and totally rearrange it, to form a new body of work. And no one will know.

However if entire phrases, sentences or paragraphs are stolen from another writer and used.
This would be called. Plagiarism.

Why is it acceptable in music?

[Adverse]

a lessssssssonnnnnn in futility. :)

[TechMouse]

Why is it acceptable in music?

Ask DJ Shadow.

It's like collage / composite, I guess.

I suppose the literary equivalent would be using quotations, but it's not really the same thing, is it?

[detfella]

A good composer does not imitate; he steals

[SlavikSvensk]

its just the fact that we have to be more openminded and have a wider picture before giving statements like that. its in the benefit of this whole movement.

stvarno! :clap: :clap:

[tioneb]

I think bones cirtisizes the attitude behing the schranz phenomennon, not the music. I think he s true old-schooler that moans about the newbies making the same thing than some years back and renaming it, as if this music were their property.

About Bones music, this is pure sampling i agree with Becka. And YES sampling a chole phrase is not the same as using a 909 sample.....

Everybody uses electric guitar in rock and roll, so basically the sounds used are the same. though its not stealing music. Then if you use a whole phrase or meldoy , same chords arranged and sequenced in the same way, this is stealing music....

[tocsin]

Some people rest on their laurels too much. I found that thread bullshit from the day it started. Discogs is a
different forum. You have a bunch of vocal users who just whine about how everything "sucks" and how people who
think otherwise are "stupid." It's a total **** hype. Bones will run his mouth about his past but, in the end, it
amounts to about 99% shit talking which a number of people will humor because it's "Frankie Bones." Big whoop?
Bullshit is bullshit no matter who says it. And that thread was one giant compost heap.

[dirty_bass]

In a way, I have to agree with you there.
Personally I have no like of any of the music Bones has done, and don`t really respect the way he makes his music either.
So I don`t really take much notice of his words.
Although sometimes he is pretty funny, in a very blunt way.

[RDR]

Not to sound picky here DB, but how far do you really wanna take that comment? What about that 909 kick you used last time? Which japanese engineer created that......? and that sample set of a real drum kit you used last time...? etc etc ad nauseum.

Oh come on, thats ridiculous. Are you trying to say that using a sample of a 909 kick is the same as nicking the main riff from well known tracks and using it as the basis of your own track? All use of samples is not the same, theres samples and samples. I really hope you weren't serious when you typed this.

Well, if we want to get picky. I generate my kicks using a kick generator.
Usually a thing called MetalBD, or Microtonic.
Essentially you fiddle with the way the sinewave is treated, and then there`s a noise generator, I won`t go into that.

As for other samples. Yeah, I do use them, in a more and more limited capacity these days.

But the point is, you can use samples creatively, and mould them to your own sound.

Wholesales ripping of other peoples loops and phrases, can`t be compared in any way.


Compare it to another art.
A writer can take the individual words, or theme of another text, and totally rearrange it, to form a new body of work. And no one will know.

However if entire phrases, sentences or paragraphs are stolen from another writer and used.
This would be called. Plagiarism.

Why is it acceptable in music?

You did say DB that there are people who dont use samples, although you didnt say you meant you, it was alluded too. I wasnt ebing v serious BTW (as usual... ;) :lol: )

Its just that statement gets me hot under the collar, because 99 times out of 100 it just isnt true when producers issue that statement.

@CRBN of course NOT serious :roll: i DO know the difference between that and ripping loops (this is what i call it, not sampling... ill call a spade a spade when i need to son)

There is plenty of room for manouvere to lift samples provided its done tastefully and with the proper artistic respect to the original artists/s. Also id like to remind everyone that artists can make money from having their work sampled and replayed back - but onyl if the sampler has the BALLS to conatct them and say "Hi, im using this sample and you legally deserve a cut" Thats the major issue right there, cept noone metions it properly, its called theft. If we all did it, then who would complain about samples being used?