A true pioneer?

[Buttman]

Just out of curiosity.. :arrow:

[miromiric.]

steve reich overall, cause he introduced minimalism to western world.
jeff mills for modern techno, cause he implemented minimalism in it.

[gunjack]

innovation is a myth.

[Dustin Zahn]

There were so many people doing really different things at first. To try and pinpoint it on a certain person is kinda hard and redundant.

I'm kind of surprised no one looks towards Glenn Wilson as a founder in this "modern" world of techno. Afterall, everybody from Beyer to the UK boys had their start on Planet Rhythm.

[Adverse]

glenn is very undercredited.

[BritishMurderBoy]

techno is a fordist genre of music....

gerald ford was a true pioneer...............

[TripleX]

glenn is very undercredited.

he defenetly is.
he´s a genius :mrgreen:

[sinner]

I voted Kraftwerk, just because of they way they started molding things in the 70s for people today. Almost every single kraftwerk track was at the very least 10 years ahead of its time, and the first time I ever heard a kraftwerk track back in 85 or so, i was hooked for good.

Im not saying that other people havent given techno a whole hell of alot, its just kraftwerk was standing there all alone for a long time, and that really says alot for them

[miromiric.]

there r some ppl who made weirder music then kraftwerk like 20 years earlier, but noone knows shit about them.
like this guy(i dont know his name, i gotta call my music teacher for that), he wrote music for 15 machines he invented back in 1916. he then let the machines work and played violins and piano.
now wasnt he a pinoeer or what?

[BritishMurderBoy]

so if the concensus is that it was "someone else" who are they?

[BritishMurderBoy]

no one gonna comment on my gerald ford reply?

[Dustin Zahn]

No man, I totally agree with you on your approach. BMB is right.

[BritishMurderBoy]

thank you dustin,

i don't want to sound arrogant (honestly im not) but for all those who don't know and are interested here is a brief run down of fordism....

gerald ford was the owner/chairman of ford cars run mainly out of detroit..

he gave birth to the concept of mass production and for a long time it was considered to be the pinicale of manafacturing techniques...

mike banks and another one of the fab four, i forget who, both worked for ford in detroit and there is a urban myth that suggests that they developed "techno" from listening to the repitious sounds of the machinery they were working alongside.... I actually rekon there is probably a lot of truth in that... anyway

so if you believe all that arguably gerald ford had a lot to do with the early techno sound.....

i have to admit when ever i try to put a mental image to techno it is of a big machine pumping out some mundane consumer good... ever so slightly satirical i know....

Kraftwerk were similarly influenced by modern industry.... germany developed a huge manafacturing base after the second world war and it grew well into the 70's....

If you want to go even further birmingham, to some regarded as the home of british techno, also has a big mafacturing sector.. In fact i think i read somewhere that birmingham was twined with detroit (it wouldn't suprise me - but don't quote me on it)

ever heard of rover cars? the only factory in the world that makes them is in birmingham............

thats why this genre fasinates me in every possible way...

hope i haven't sent any of you to sleep... [end of history lesson]

dan.b

[rpmiller]

I totally agree there is a correlation between industrial areas and the music within those areas. I think maybe growing up in an area heavily industrialised influences your outlook on life and consequently music.

Many industrialised areas have spawned producers of music with an industrial edge, like you said birmingham, detroit, a large number of german cities are highly industrial, and a lot of the music coming out of them has elements of this in it. Where i come from (Oldham), there is a lot of industry, and same in the surrounding areas, escpecially yorkshire, leeds and huddersfield in particular, and there is a great deal of techno artists and clubs in these areas (the orbit for one).

[sinner]

Gerald ford was the 38th president of the united states from 1974-1977

Henry ford started the ford motor company

[BritishMurderBoy]

lol, my apologies

u are dead rite...

wasn't gerald ford the disabled one....

[now the histroy lesson has ended :lol: ]

[miromiric.]

if u ll take ford for innovator we ll have to go much much more back in time, to the discovery of the first primitive tools our ancestors used.

and that is a good way to understand what Techno really is.

[BritishMurderBoy]

yeah quite,

but i thought it was an interesting observation.... maybe the next ford advert will have death before surrender playing in the background....

[miromiric.]

mark, mark and butty i want to hear what are your thoughts about this. :!: :arrow:

[Adverse]

about techno being fordist?

uhh it's music. i don't know.. never thought about it in that perspective as for pioneers i say there aren't many these days. as for who has pioneered? i'd say ****ing cari lekebusch and cisco ferreira and colin mcbean were very instrumental in certain areas of europe, tony child, karl o connor, james ruskin and claude young have shaped a sound that cannot be overlooked.

glenn wilson has opened the new talent door soo many ****ing times it's unreal. not to mention setting the bar many a time when it comes to hard floor crushing tracks..

detroit has a place on that list as an origin but so does eastern europe.