To the collective artists known as Skulltunes :

[death on a stick]

i don't understand why you'll brought this up. it's exactly what we do. change start points, end points, change eq... be creative. it's just what i was saying. but don't stick with the same sample from a sample cd.

you're taking this too personally, I've not addressed any of this at your productions, I already said I've not heard your tracks.

However, I brought it up as quite obviously I am correct with regards to the laziness of producers, otherwise this entire debacle would never have arisen, would it? If this Skull gang hadn't used the same formula as other people using the same formula as other people using...etc etc...then none of this stupidity would have taken place.

[Buttman]

making good loops is easy. arranging them in a creative and original way is hard.

Do you honestly say that making good loops from scratch (and I mean from a totally empty pattern) is easy??

[Adverse]

^^^ yes i want to know this too

[MARKEG]

i'm not taking this personally. i'm just getting well into the debate cause it matters to me :)

yes we've realised that skull tunes need to be more creative with their loops. they've realised this too - ie boris mentions the recycle prog and the plug in logic that he's now messing with. great! now let's see what they come up with.

RE: loops from nothing. Fruity Loops? Reason? MIDI connected to your sequencer? etc etc?

[MARKEG]

ok look i have to get into the studio at some point today.. back later to see where this all goes...

[herman]

It seems to me that the main part of the problem here seems to stem from people using sample cd's rather than the fact that they sample.Much the same as people who only use presets on there synth's etc, the lazy unoriginal way to do things is always going to sound like the next lazy unoriginal guy isn't it?

[Buttman]

RE: loops from nothing. Fruity Loops? Reason? MIDI connected to your sequencer? etc etc?

You must be some kind of prodigal child. I am only satisfied with, let us say, 1 out of 10 loops I make.

[death on a stick]

yes we've realised that skull tunes need to be more creative with their loops.

Not just them, what about the people that have been raging at them for doing exactly the same thing they did themselves? LAME!!!

[Adverse]

hooo hooo hooo..

[Buttman]

Not just them, what about the people that have been raging at them for doing exactly the same thing they did themselves? LAME!!!

Finally =)

[gunjack]

first of all something to deafmosaic:
in a german board, boris and me DID apologize, we never used CONSCIOUSLY a loop, which has already been used in another record. the loops we were blamed for are from a record we have never possessed. i promise. there was a real loop-rip of one of sven´s records from another artist (3 loops in one track!!!) also and sven huddled it together. now sven and we are friends again,we phoned about 1hr and all the differences are cleared.

o.k. mate fair enough. i jumped the gun in accusing you, but you must admit that using these loops so prominently in your arrangements can easily create a situation like this.

another thing is dj amok. and it isn´t of interest for me, if he is an artist from you, too. he is only a friend of sven, not directly affected in any way and called me and boris "motherf...", "dick suckers" and lots more and spread this over the boards. sorry, this is definitely NOT objective and we pull our consequences out of that.
i´m not angry about any of your statements, but please do a difference between objective discussions and insults. would you accept them? i don´t think so.

ok, i understand ben has insulted you personally. he has apologized. I WILL TALK WITH HIM. i would consider it a personal favor if you boys would stop giving him a hard time and allow me to convince him to not speak about you folks any further. i am not trying to be a dick, but ben is one of ours and if you all continue to try and damage his career, i will not be happy.

again, i would look at it as a favor to me, if you boys would lay off him, he is having a tough time and is learning hard life lessons every day. anyone who knows me knows that i am a man of my word so the ball is in your court. if you insist on persuing retaliation against Ben (amok) i will have to consider it a personal insult on my word and will be very ............ disapointed.


i appreciate your time in answering all of these inquiries and hope that you boys will make an effort to create music which is less limilar to others in the future.


now i would like to say a word to the board. firstly, death on a stick has a noble point about originality, mark also has a good point and i always used to say: "it aint the box, its how you bang it." but at the end of the day, the trouble here is that folks cant be bothered to stay on the right side of that originality line, and in some cases the culprit is the thought that "my new track sounds like 'that other track'"

this is the poison of our industry. all of us are guilty of this to some degree whether we admit it or not, but we must make an extra effort to create our own approach to making music, otherwise homogeny will eat us all up.


i was also caught up on one side of this debate without examining all of the possibilities, my excuse is that one of my own was very passionate about "his side" but beyond all this, you skulltunes boys and the rest of us alike should be learning from this ridiculous fiasco:

try to make some music which is easily recognized as yours.

i like to think i have my own "gunjack sound" as does emergence/mark and miro/the anxious/etc. but it isnt enough to think this way, we have to prove it with every release.


a close friend once told me that my work gets better with every track, it is a compliment i will cherish for ever. the day my work goes stagnant and i am unable to find a new approach to expressing myself effectively, that is the day i begin with a new medium.

[BritishMurderBoy]

will someone clarify something for my brain that know little about production...

Sven was in here earlier this week after tripleX had started the topic that certain groups had stolen his loops fopr use in their own production? yes?

when the "certain groups" finally posted they claimed the loops had come from sounds banks other sources (such as CD's) etc...?

if this is true is Sven not claiming that a loop he had taken from a CD is his own work and that some one was plaigerising it? After taking 20 mins to read the whole discussion im still confused....

Did Sven actually make some thing original or has this discussion just drawn to the conclusion that both groups of artistes use pre programmed loops?

cheers lads

dan

[Buttman]

Did Sven actually make some thing original or has this discussion just drawn to the conclusion that both groups of artistes use pre programmed loops?

Yes. Very sad, do you not think?

[death on a stick]

has this discussion just drawn to the conclusion that both groups of artistes use pre programmed loops?

that would seem to be the case. It seems the fight is over who is the least original.

"I used the sample CD!!"
"I used it first"
"yeah but I'm less original than you"
"no way, my ideas are the stalest"

[Greg Silver]

deafmosaic: now i have a better impression of you. first i thought u were just a troublemaker. i appreciate your reaction and hope we can have lots more discussions in a friendly way here.
i also understand that you protect amok as a friend of yours. but the whole thing is managed by our adcocate since last week. we didn´t make a report, he just will be admonished for the insults and all the real bad things he did. if he is calm, objective and friendly again, nobody will push the trouble further. but this lesson he has to learn. and i can´t stop anymore.

[serox]

Sounds like the most original person here is the person who made techno trance essential CD :)
It isn't hard to tell which CD's these artists all use. They do use the same kind of equipment (if any) when making these records. 1 good tune on a record with 3 shit ones they made in one day. Some do have nice ideas when putting the music together though, but not much of the loops/kicks/hats are made from scratch.

It would take too much time for them to make everything from scratch, and why waste time when this sells.

peace
/serox

[Buttman]

Stop these pussy threats and get to some action. Anyone can play tough on a message board.

[BritishMurderBoy]

this group of three threads has to go down as the most unusual of all time.. i wonder if sven will post again in response...

as for u butty :roll:

[Buttman]

as for u butty :roll:

As what for me?
Am I the most unusual thread? =)

[gunjack]

cheers greg, but i must repeat: if dj amoks young career is attacked any further by your people, i will not be a very reasonable person for very long. i must ask again, as a PERSONAL FAVOR to gunjack, that you call off the actions you have set into motion. I WILL ACCEPT THE RESPONSIBILITY TO MAKE SURE HE REALIZES THE SEVERITY of these sorts of actions.... if you insist on further retaliation, this could get very dirty and the situation may require an outside element to "clean" it.


also i have a quick question: your bio states that you came up first in the game through early releases on "Generator records", but Alan Oldham (T-1000 of Generator records) is a friend of mine and says he has never heard of you.... could there have been another Generator records around that time?

yes we've realised that skull tunes need to be more creative with their loops.

Not just them, what about the people that have been raging at them for doing exactly the same thing they did themselves? LAME!!!

to whom do you direct this please? at DJamok? if this was directed at me you are SORELY mistaken.

It seems to me that the main part of the problem here seems to stem from people using sample cd's rather than the fact that they sample.Much the same as people who only use presets on there synth's etc, the lazy unoriginal way to do things is always going to sound like the next lazy unoriginal guy isn't it?

yes my man. yes.

Do you honestly say that making good loops from scratch (and I mean from a totally empty pattern) is easy??

if one is inspired, it should be easy.