Good topic, but think this has got way out of hand. Careers on the internet can be made and destroyed right here, right now. It looks to me that this whole situation was never as sinister as first made out, yet names ave been dragged about on both sides rather unfairly i think.

Sayin that maybe better out in the open??? Who knows...

Appreciate both arguments, dont do any production yet, but would agree that usin loops is ok if done creativly, and creatin them... well nothin but respect for havin the forward thinkin innovative way of makin music.

In the end, its all techno... and we are all (most) in it with the same passion and love.