fuk 180 the stuff ive heard in the past is more like 200 + bpm hahahahaha ive done many events in the past with these guys like lenny/ hms/ loftgroover etc etc etc etc hey i dont knock them i quite like the old hardcore especially the dutch stuff , all sorts of stuff ,but i preffer the more bouncy style ,the machine gun stuff is to fast for me wooooooooooooooooooooooo! each to there own . but hay alls i want say is fairdooze to lenny hes banging out some quality stuff , likeing the last cluster he did to nice! . ;)