Locking threads and not being able to speak our minds

[eyes without a face]

im sorry, but mark, come on, locking threads just because people dont adhere to the "lets all love one anothers music and be happy" ethos... you've just posted up a new thread on how u think Sven rocks, well surely if ur allowed to do that then there was no problem with people giving a negative view on his music....

during the whole thread people, more so myself, repeat and make a point of saying just how much Sven's music rocked at first, but unfortunately the post regarding tool terror gave specific links to tracks that indeed, did not rock, and yet only sounded pretty much identical to MOR schranz....

if people can say they love something then surely the balance of nature should allow people to say when they dont love something also? its happening more and more on here and i must say its making the board a little uninviting when u know that if u post something that doesnt fall in line with everyone else then you'l either get pulled up, dissmissed as, in this case hating schranz (which i dont, just its current state, ive gone mental to schranz when its done right, but no one seems to be doing that these days really for me personally)

no doubt this will end up getting locked or deleted or il get a pm off someone with a warning or something but i dont care, i feel that the stranglehold on these forums is getting worse and worse and this place doesnt feel like the board it did a year ago i have to say that

[DJ Corbzy]

I wholeheartedly agree EWAF... :clap:

[eyes without a face]

im just fed up of it now, and its not just me before anyone things im moaning, well ok yeah i am haha but still, it happens on the forums i use and it bothers me so gotta speak up really hey

[DJ Corbzy]

im just fed up of it now, and its not just me before anyone things im moaning, well ok yeah i am haha but still, it happens on the forums i use and it bothers me so gotta speak up really hey

Yeah I think that people should be entitled to speak their minds within moderation...

I just came on the forum, had a look at that post, and wouldn't of minded making my points...

I do think that Mark closes topics a little too quickly and irrationally...

Civil war ain't gonna break out over a post!! :lol:

[The Overfiend]

:dontevengothere:

[DJ Corbzy]

:dontevengothere:

:lol:

[eyes without a face]

my point exactly :lol: ;)

[Will]

I have to say I agree with Mark on this, I don't see the need for all the negativity, if you've got nothing nice to say, say nothing at all and all that... Most of the criticism doesn't seem constructive to me, more like slagging - and surely slagging makes for a less inviting forum than if there's no slagging - unless you're the sort of person who gets off on slagging other peoples work.

I mean people can make up their own minds about a record, you'd think some people must think their opinion is pretty important - the way they go on and on - one post saying they don't like something is one thing - but why the need to keep hammering the point? It's just slagging to my mind, however much someone hates a record you can guarantee someone will buy it, and that's there prerogative.

I'm sure more people are put off by this than by threads getting locked, and at the end of the day it's Marks forum and he can run it how he wants - there's always other forums to slag stuff, it's not like Mark's saying if you slag stuff off on the net you'll be in trouble. Some threads get locked a little early for my liking, but then some don't get locked when they may as well be as far as I'm concerned, but that's fine.

[SlavikSvensk]

i'm fine with locking threads when they get out of hand, but i think there was some confusion about the sven thread. some people were not, in fact, arguing that his record was one way or another. the discussion of the record opened up a discussion about the use of loops in techno, and that was completely abstracted from discussion of sven's record.

[MARKEG]

eg feckin xactly Will

:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

what i see in other music forums is too many mods afraid to step up and run the place how they originally wanted to run it. create and forum + get members + do a few things ppl dont like & peer pressure starts to take over. the place turns into something you didn't originally set it up for.

i've had such a slating over the last few years for sometimes acting too quickly, for saying this place should concentrate on being +ve, for banning ppl that unneccesarily argue for arguings sake, for being a power crazy hitler (yeah serious, ppl say this when i don't even get paid for doing this shit and have never even once gone out of my way to promote this forum), for trying to keep this place focused on the good things about our music, and to keep the petty personal arguments out of here.

well i don't care. say what you wanna say. the fact is, if you don't like it, go somewhere else. eyes, you're unnecessarily arguing about schranz and a certain artist being shite. i don't want to read this on a saturday morning when i come back from a club and neither do most of our members i wouldn't have thought - ahemmm unless you wanna sit behind a screen moaning about how something is shite when they haven't even got a track record themselves???? arrrgh come on guys....

fair enough. sit and say this is good and that is good, get excited over the next party that's coming up but unless you've got the goods to back yourself up, don't sit and critisize for 10 pages. sure, say your piece but i don't want to see 10 page topics of pointless arguments.

ok rant over.

[MARKEG]

actually no, not over.

:lol:

look eyes, if you'd spent half the time you have done over your last 20 posts channelling your effort into typing on your own thread entitled 'What I would like to see change in Schranz' and kept your statements constructive, respectful and really trying to make a change, then I simply wouldn't have a problem. as it is, if you look at your posts over the last few days, they're all absolutely kinda pointless. i mean what really is what you've written directed towards Sven going to do for the techno movement. i mean really. not only that, i've tried to get things back on track and you've infected those threads too with all this arguing shit. oh come on, please just leave it. it really isn't what we wanna see or why we're all here is it ;)

please, come on. let's get back to the good shit :clap:

[MARKEG]

... i'll even bake the cakes if you all promise to be nice ;)

[basslinejunkie]

the easiest solution is just to not comment on something you dont like

[dtl]

the easiest solution is just to not comment on something you dont like

Second that. I read basically 90% of the threads here, the only reason I only have 200 odd posts is because either someone has already posted my opinions or I just start writing a reply and quit half way through because I know it is fairly pointless with people's taste being so versitile, my opinion is not likely going to be picked up. especially when it is about something I dont agree/ like.

I would recommend releases on that dedicated thread but never would I say stuff such as "This is a poor release", it is not that I dont think the release is poor, very often I agree with them. I just like to allow people to see it for themselves, it's hell a lot more rewarding that way.

Well. I have been keeping my ears out for most releases in the last 2 years, I must say I am still waiting for that incoming shranze innovation boom. I am sure it will happen.

[dtl]

As for tool records vs stand for itself records....

They both have their places, different dishes (dj sets) need different indgridients (tunes), you cant say garlic is simple and easy to grow and you will sod it off unless it turns in fresh basil! It has different purpose and Djs are there to combine such purposes and reproduce a unique style of mixing.

The point was that tunes that made by established artists in a rush, and claiming that they are milking it and not being innovating.... Oh well, let them do it, if 100% of their future productions are like this, sure the buyers would sense the similarity and decrease demand = decrease supply.

Anyway, who am I to talk? I never produced.

[dan the acid man]

... i'll even bake the cakes if you all promise to be nice ;)

oooh, a nice chocloate one would go down a treat :lol:

[Traxx]

... i'll even bake the cakes if you all promise to be nice ;)

Depends what's in them?

[Mirsha]

mods afraid to step up

Avast, this is one of my most hated pet peeves about forums, when the mods just happily let the bricks crumble around them as they settle for the mediocraty of the not upsetting anyone. There is one set of forums I frequent which has a persistant troll, now on his fourth account who posts material about the same calibre as you find in the smelliest corner of Squatjuice, is offensive to everyone and a terrible troll. And despite being banned three times the mod replies to complaints about him with "it takes too much effort to moderate his posting". That sort of attitude is a bit like Hannibal going over the mountains but forgetting the elephants because "I can't see what possible use I have for them".

The single most important point about this argument is, who's paying the bandwidth costs? I know a few forums that deliberately won't accept donations from users because they don't want people to think that just because some of their hard earned pennies are fueling the alcholoic tendancies of the owners that they somehow have the right to tell them what to do, feel like they own the other place or just generaly act in a terrible and disgusting manner because they think they can.

I do agree with the point of view that an agreesive locking of threads for whatever takes Mark's fancy is a bit over the top. I don't agree with it but I respect his right to, for instance, change the forum name from Blackout to 'Paedophiles Annonymous'.

Personaly, what I would love to see because it really does add character to a forum and provides a way for Mark to bitchslap people in a lesser way as well as providing amusing antics, is to change peoples custom titles to reflect incidents in the posters career. Somethingawful takes this concept to a wonderfull extreme with the pure level of beasting some people get on their custom titles. Imagine going to a thread and someone having something like "Regis is a terrible man and probably molested me as a child" beside someones name to let folk know that someone is a known Regis hater and is really pushing it a bit too far. It's hilarious to see stupid stuff written letting people know that someone is a bit of an idiot, especially when it's written in 18 point font in bright red and the text takes up about twice as much space as any of their posts. It's like branding! Only people get annoyed about it, they get pointed at and it's like a tattoo, you can only get rid of it by not being an idiot. Or doing something truely amusing.

Anyway back to the point, if there was one in the first place. People should be able to post saying whatever they like, it's not the negative statements we should be trying to cull from out little colective it's the really shit uninformative pointless drivel that spews from peoples mouth when they think they can get away with it. Take the recent Regis thread, some people said some stuff, I added my comments, then noticed people were just starting to talk absoloute pish so I've not returned to the thread since and I'm now just waiting for the thread to collapse in on itself due to the weighty ego of the people keeping the pointless debate going.

You know I've only been on these forums for six months, and I swear the topic of "Yes I know we have this debate every week and Mark tells us to **** off in a new lengthy post rather than pointing us to the last thread where an exciting battle of wills was fought between the free people and that evil opressor who admins this site but I keep coming back everyday anyway to continue to post my inane commentry so I guess it's not really that bad of a dictatorship afterall"

You could also try using the wordfilter to block "negativity" and replace it with "shut the **** up" for a few days. Actually I've never agreed with the whole swearing filter either, you should replace swear words using the word filter with amusing words, like "cabbage", "Jon Steels blue car" or "feel the rage of my axe of stitching +2"

[MARKEG]

i really respect that mirsha.

you know, i have no diploma on how to admin a forum. in fact, i'm really a bad admin sometimes. but i remember those thoughts i had when we were a shitty ez board and all i wanted was a way we could all express our views without everyone offering each other outside. i'd seen it on a few techno forums i visited and i just didnt want that on here. so i thought hard about why that was happening on forums and thought, we need a rule. and the rule was RESPECT. everything i say about being +ve and not slagging artists without reason is about respect. surely, respect is the key to taking music forward??? respect is the key to taking human nature forward to be honest. anyway....

Yes I know we have this debate every week and Mark tells us to **** off in a new lengthy post rather than pointing us to the last thread where an exciting battle of wills was fought between the free people and that evil opressor who admins this site but I keep coming back everyday anyway to continue to post my inane commentry so I guess it's not really that bad of a dictatorship afterall"

wow, please explain in english :clap:

[djshiva]

without conflict in life, i wouldn't be writing music to begin with.

conflict breeds discussion. discussion breeds education. education is a key element of life.

i believe in democracy, not totalitarianism. as long as we're not slinging mud, what gives with the topic lockdown?